At 11:24 AM 8/14/2005, Warren Smith wrote:
Well, in our real-world-voter study of range & approval:  USA voters
by statistically clear margins, told us they wanted to stay with plurality and
NOT switch to either range or approval voting.

I'd suggest that the answers may have depended on how the question was posed. Approval *is* Plurality with one tiny change: overvotes are not discarded. Range and Approval are related (Approval is effectively Range with only votes of 0 or 1 allowed).

Always, I have seen, Approval is presented as if it were some new method. It is not. As I have pointed out, mostly to deaf ears, Approval is standard under most rules for show-of-hands elections. It only becomes an issue when there is secret ballot, and the most-commonly-presented argument against allowing overvoting is clearly in error: the idea that allowing overvotes violates the one-person, one-vote rule.

So if you are asking the average Joe about Approval, it would be necessary for some education to take place first. Otherwise the person is quite likely to give an answer simply based on ignorance.

  This makes it sound
(correctly) like range will have a hard time getting adopted!

Much harder than Approval, I'd suggest. Approval is really trivial to implement; I've been pushing to try to change the debate from "Why should we allow Approval" to "Why should overvotes spoil ballots?" I think we can win the latter debate rather easily.

Now as far as I and the other pollsters could imperfectly see from listening to them, the top reason the USA voters felt this way, was complexity. They felt range and
approval were too complicated.  But range voting is actually quite simple.

Approval is not complicated *at all*. The ballot is identical to standard Plurality (though the instructions might be changed a little) and the ballots are counted identically. So if respondents thought that Approval was complicated, they had been misled. Range is complicated (not too complicated to understand, but much more complicated to count).

>From this my coauthor Doug Greene concluded that
discussing methods significantly MORE complicated than range was
just "mental masturbation" with no hope of actual political success.

I'd agree.

That to me is a big reason to go with range:  it seems to me to be
by far the simplest method out there that much improves upon
plurality voting. Approval voting is even simpler than range (though not as simple
as plurality).

Why???!!! Approval is exactly the same as standard plurality, it is even easier to count. You just count the votes and total them. You don't have to look for and discard overvotes. It is standard plurality that is more complicated!

By making it seem that Plurality and Approval are different methods, the poll obviously misled the voters. Approval is Plurality, *except* that an unjust and strange rule restricting the freedom of the voter was added somewhere. I've been unable, so far, to find the history of the no-overvoting rules....

The no-overvoting rules tell the voter that if you vote for more than one, your ballot will be discarded. This is an example of something that can look reasonable at first glance. Why should any voter get more than one vote? But voting for more than one in a single winner election is *not* getting more than one vote. In the end, one will have either voted for the winner, or one will not. In no case will two votes count toward a winner.

If I were at a meeting, and an election were being held by show-of-hands, and I've seen many such elections, nothing would happen if someone voted for more than one. Both votes would be counted. Another kind of multi-choice vote is often held: on what day should we schedule our special event? Nobody thinks that allowing someone to vote for more than one day is giving that person an extra vote! It simply allows the vote to determine the most acceptable date....

  So that may be a reason to go with approval.  However,
my feeling is that
(1) despite the simplicity advantage of approval, USA third parties
would be foolish to support it because range experimentally gives them HUGELY
more votes than approval.

Range, then, is a fairly simple modification of Approval. But there is a better method, and surely Warren knows it, since he invented it! And I modified it to make it just about identical to Approval: FAAV: Fractional Approval Asset Voting. The ballot is an Approval ballot.

A possible twist is that the initial count is done as a simple Approval ballot. But because of the nature of the full count system, many people might vote for only one candidate. FAAV is Asset voting with vote values of 0 and 1, just as Approval is Range with vote values of 0 and 1. The difference is what happens if no candidate gains a majority: and for that, I'd refer readers to the writings on Asset voting.

The key in FAAV is that, quite simply, the best strategy is to decide whom to trust: do you trust a single candidate the most, or would you prefer to trust a group of candidates? The simplest strategy is to decide which candidate you would most trust in the office, and if it were necessary, to name a successor to serve out the term if the candidate could not do it himself or herself. And then vote for that candidate, for Asset Voting quite simply does this: it delegates the voter's voting power to the trusted candidate or candidates.

Instead of voting for one, one can vote for a slate: the vote will be divided among them (in the recount if needed). The slate then decides -- each member freely and equally as far as that voter's vote is concerned -- where to place the vote to create a winner or winners.

There is absolutely no reason or need for "strategic" voting in FAAV. It would, simply, be stupid....

I really disagree with Mr. Smith that the electorate is going to have trouble understanding Approval. And once one has Approval, it is actually a fairly small step to move to Asset voting, which, in the FAAV variant, does not require any ballot change. In FAAV, tabulation is a little more complex, but only if there is no Approval winner in the first ballot. Then, the votes are recounted, assigning fractional votes wherever a voter voted for more than one. My guess is that few would do that, actually.

Then, consider this possibility: with Plurality, implement single-vote Asset voting. If there is a majority winner on the first ballot, that's it. If not, then vote-getters may reassign their vote.

You know, when I first heard "Single Transferable Vote," I thought that was what it meant....

Suddenly all the need for strategic voting would disappear, since your sincere vote would *not* be wasted. Nader could have approached the other two major candidates in 2000 and said: "Okay, what are you offering us?"

The electoral college was probably intended to work something like this!


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