EM list-- When I said that someone who decides to show up & vote, in an IRV (Alternative Vote) election, can make his last choice win thereby, when that wouldn't have happened had that voter stayed home, I mean that that can happen even if the voter votes sincerely. IRV fails Participation as you & Steve defined it. But of course that's the least of IRV's failings. Would you believe that there's actually an organization that's heavily promoting that the piece of crap that it calls IRV? Sometimes it seems that we're being lax because we aren't out telling people what we know about the problems of methods that are being offered to the public. People have a right to know. Don't we have a responsibility to tell them? Mike Ossipoff ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com