My goal is using Condorcet, but recognizing that everything costs money, wo
we need to be careful as to expenses.
Thus I see:
Condorcet as the election method.
But then see no value in a "condorcet party".
Also then see no value in primaries, but know parties see value in such.
And no value in runoffs - Plurality needs runoffs because of the way
voters cannot express their thoughts - but Condorcet has no similar problem.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:28:55 +0100 Raph Frank wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Certainly both party and non-party candidates would be permitted in
Condorcet. If primaries were also used, parties would nominate only primary
winners. This would not prevent primary losers from running as non-party
candidates.
Well the "primary" was that the "condorcet party" would hold a
condorcet election. By calling it a primary, it might get State
support.
What value might the state see as reason for paying for such?
What value might voters see in this?
One of the strongest arguments I have heard against using Condorcet in the
election and doing away with primaries, is a party desire to use primaries
to decide who to back in the election.
This is true, however, I don't see it as a major issue. They could
either hold a primary anyway, or just pick a candidate.
Who does the "just pick" since voters can claim ownership of the right?
Who justifies paying expense of a primary here?
Following that kind of reasoning, it would appear that conventional
parties
have very little to lose by running Condorcet primaries instead of
Plurality
primaries, more so if there's an open primary. (So why don't they?)
As to open, either:
Party wants the primary to pick one if its members to be backed.
Party wants its members to do the selecting of who to back.
Well, they wouldn't need a primary if the leadership just picked a candidate.
I guess the parties could still put up the 40 and 60 candidates.
However, I wonder if they would prefer the other party to win rather
than a compromise candidate.
Now we are back to "who decides".
Part of all this is desire for a fair chance to win.
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