On Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 04:14:41AM -0800, Ken Mankoff wrote: > It seems like you have never used Orgzly or read on Org file on > GitHub. Those are not ideas, but are actual current real-world > win-win implementations of parts of Org outside of Emacs.
Supporting a subset of trivial formatting options from Org should be that, trivial. Those items are not changing and fairly standardized already. Could an existing Markdown importer be trivially altered to support basic Org formats? I suspect that's what Github did. If that's the case, why are we even arguing? What is missing that so desperately needs standardization? > Again: GitHub. Orgzly. The conversation should move from "it can't > be done" or "it isn't helpful" (why so much negativity on this > thread?) to Not negative for negative sake or dismissing new ideas. However understand there is a lack of resources working on Org as it stands today. Org has grown exponentially in use cases for years, and there's no way to expect our devs to keep up with that, much less tooling for users outside of Emacs. I'm barely involved in the periphery, but I've watched since 2006. It's a thankless job maintaining any popular OSS project. I'm grateful for what has been done already, I have no standing to ask for more or demand time spent on outside software. We are already having to argue over what is core, and what is an addon because every advanced user has extensions they want to make. Org ballooned dramatically and is having to be trimmed. > + What parts can be standardized and re-implemented outside of > Emacs. I'm negative on this because it's outside of Emacs. I like having clear documentation and a good reference for the benefit of Emacs users. Why ask for developer time for external environments? Why contribute to centralized non-free services who exploit our integration for more marketshare? > + How do we support 3rd-party implementation in a way that benefits > all of us. I'd rather invest our time on improving our internal implementation, documentation, and support. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3