Hi everyone,
after contemplating the \pnote proposal for beamer notes, I don't
think that this is, in the end, the right solution.
Can't we just use headings with a TODO keyword BNOTE or with property
BNOTE
or so as the sources of notes?
Or, even simpler, Or we could use a special value "note"
in the the BEAMER_env property to mark notes. This would be easy to
turn
on with the special editing code we already have, would automatically
be tracked by a B_note tag and in this way stay visible.
Using marked nodes would avoid choosing a specific level for
such notes, and give the biggest flexibility.
If we do this, then the following problem arises: An outline
node always has a headline and content. What should be do
with the headline? Should be throw it away? Or just make it
part of the note text? Maybe that would make the most sense.
Input is again welcome!
- Carsten
On Dec 20, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote:
I also liked this idea. Since beamer does not track where the \note
command is
used inside the frame and just puts every note from that frame in
the next
"notes slide", then there is no loss if org-mode put several \note
commands in
the end of the frame environment when exporting. Therefore, a
headline below the
frame headline seems to be a good approach.
Also, if the beamer notes are not desired when exporting to other
formats one
could add a tag to the "notes headline" and use the already
available feature of
not exporting headlines with a given tag.
- Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
At Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:33:14 -1000,
"Thomas S. Dye" <t...@tsdye.com> wrote:
Hi Daniel,
On Dec 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Daniel Martins wrote:
\pnote could be an option
Another idea is to reserve the lowest level to notes
* section
** subsection
*** frame
etc
************** notes
(I don't know how many *'s are needed)
maybe we can set a number / variable
like
org-beamer-frame-level
we could create
org-beamer-notes-level
Daniel
2009/12/18 Nick Dokos <nicholas.do...@hp.com>:
Adam Spiers <orgm...@adamspiers.org> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:49:23PM -0300, Darlan Cavalcante
Moreira wrote:
In addition, while I also agree that footnotes shouldn't be in a
presentation
they are allowed when working with beamer and may be useful in
some cases. If
org-mode export footnotes as beamer notes then some months from
now someone
would be asking here in the mailing-list how to enter a standard
footnote when
exporting to beamer.
I agree - unfortunately there are genuinely sensible uses of
footnotes
in presentations. For example, citation of sources for
quotations,
data etc. is ideally accomplished by footnotes: they are not used
during the presentation itself, but by distributing paper and/or
electronic copies after the talk, footnotes provide essential
reference data for perusal by the audience at a later date.
I think that's an argument *for* Eric's idea (assuming that the
handout
includes notes - that's my practice, but maybe not everybody does
that,
although they *should* :-) ).
In general, I think slides should be very simple: single-level
lists,
single idea per slide, no footnotes - but I know that generalities
like
that are just guidelines: meant to be broken, given a good enough
cause.
Imagine a slide showing the results of a benchmark, claiming "X is
much faster than Y!" You might want to talk briefly about how the
results were obtained, and about the impact of the results, but
you
would also need to be able to tell the audience they could
independently verify the results by obtaining a copy of the slides
and
visiting the URL contained in the footnote - especially if the
results
are controversial! In this case, it would not matter that the URL
was
too small to be legible from the back of the room.
How does inverting Eric's idea sound: invent a new kind of
footnote,
let's call it, say, a "pnote", which is treated exactly like a
footnote in
all exports *except* beamer. In beamer, footnotes end up in the
frame
and pnotes end up in the notes.
Not sure whether the implementation would be as simple as this
makes it
sound, but who knows?[1]
Thanks,
Nick
[1] Well, OK: Carsten knows...
FWIW, I like this idea. I think it tracks the mapping between beamer
and LaTeX very well.
In my experience, beamer slide shows are an aid in the spoken
presentation of a LaTeX article.
Beamer does a good job of mapping the higher level LaTeX sectioning
commands, with some themes that automatically display down to
subsection. To my mind, frames in beamer capture lower-level
structure (e.g. subsubsection, paragraph, subparagraph) in their
(often over-used) bulleted lists, and (more appropriately) the
photographs, diagrams, maps etc. that are inserted as figures in the
LaTeX article. As others on the list have noted, LaTeX footnotes
also
map fairly directly to beamer footnotes.
This leaves most of the text of the article, which from my
perspective
maps to beamer notes. Marking off notes with the headline below the
last one that deals with frames and their paraphernalia seems natural
to me. The typical org-mode file that exports to LaTeX will have big
chunks that transfer very readily to the notes sections of a beamer
presentation.
I don't know whether the idea makes sense from the point of view of
implementation, though, because I can't really read the org-mode Lisp
code owing to my own illiteracy.
All the best,
Tom
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