>07/27/2005 05:05 AM chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>Geez Chris, what else don't you have, or don't you know or don't you do??
>
>I used to say plumbing was about the only thing I don't do... then I 
>bought a house. So now I jus ttry to stay away from fixing cars. I 
>botched my 1965 T-Bird many years ago (of course I also did MANY 
>successful repairs on it, as well as much of the work done on my Geo 
>Tracker when I had it... so it isn't that I *can't* do cars).

Okay Chris.  I think you are kewl.
Where do I send some CPU chip to you?  I have some of the chips that I 
keep looking at them, and they look cool, but I don't know and have no 
use of them.  They are Pentium chips, 486, 68x40, EPROM, Apple boot ROM, 
PC BIOS, G3 raw cpu, PPC cpu, and many others that I don't know what they 
are for but if I find them, they are yours.  So, if you want to give me 
your mailing/shipping address, I can pack up a box and ship all those to 
you that I know I won't do anything with them besides just looking at 
them.  I believe all of them work, except I don't need them.



>>Wait.... You forgot Entourage..... Microsoft Entourage.
>
>I don't have a need to support it right now, so I don't really know it.

It's kind of like eMailer.


>>If everyone doesn't have to pay Microsoft for the program, won't this be 
>>a good choice to replace eMailer?  I thought the same group of software 
>>engineers went from Claris to MS for this Entourage product (after 
>>Microsoft planned termination of eMailer)? 
>
>Yes, some of the Claris developers left Apple and went to work for MS in 
>the Mac Business Unit. But MS did not plan for Emailer to be terminated, 
>and in fact had nothing to do with Emailer's termination. It was a rumor 
>back in the day, but those "in the know" kept trying to tell everyone it 
>wasn't true. No one wanted to listen. Hindsight, it becomes clear that 
>they were all telling the truth... MS had nothing to do with Emailer or 
>Claris being shut down. It was all Jobs, just as the Claris people tried 
>to explain. Jobs did it to cut costs and to make sure there was no 
>unneccesary competition for OS X's products.
>
>Emailer would provide competition for Mail.app, which Jobs wasn't going 
>to allow, so Emailer had to die. FileMaker was very profitable, so it was 
>spun off to its own company. That way Apple could show the profits, but 
>not have to account for the costs. AppleWorks was moved off the Claris 
>label and updated for OS X. Appleworks provides an essential "starter" 
>application suite for new Mac buyers. Claris Organizer was sold to Palm, 
>and everything else was just killed off. None of the other applications 
>made enough money to bother keeping alive. Killing them saved Apple money 
>as well as removed one more application competeing with other Mac 
>developers, which made the developers happy and encouraged them to update 
>their applications to OS X.
>
>All of the above was pretty much what the Claris people were trying to 
>explain to everyone back when Emailer was killed off. No one wanted to 
>listen, and everyone wanted to blame it on MS. At the time, OS X was 
>still working its way into reality, so no one could believe these kinds 
>of changes were being made for a future that had yet to occur. All these 
>years later, it becomes obvious that Jobs really does think 9 steps ahead 
>of everyone else, and really does set these kinds of things in motion 
>years before his final plans are seen.
>
>>That's probably the direction I am leaning to at this time (unless later 
>>you sell or share your new email program (hint..hint..)  :)   
>
>
>-chris
><http://www.mythtech.net>
>
>

Chris, did you know that ever since Microsoft bought $300 million worth 
of Apple stock (MS made a bundle out of that deal) back then (don't 
remember which year), all the machines shipped from Apple has this 
strange arrangement of file icons in the "Internet" folder?

First, you open it up, you seen alias for IE and OE, then the typical 
"Internet Application" folder.

You open up the "Internet Application" folder, you will see a small 
window opens up, and IE and OE are there.

Then if you are an experiences user like everyone here on the forum, you 
will notice that the scroll bar on the right indicated there are more 
files/items down below where the opened window won't show, so you scroll 
down, and there, you see Claris eMailer (lite), Netscape.

It's Microsoft's way of muscle their "Influence" that you are not aware 
of.

Microsoft IS involved in the killing of the eMailer.  I believe Steve and 
MS (who else, Gill Bates) shook hand on this one.

Oh well, now you get to work on the "i-KrisMailer" program that we all 
will be using in the future now, you hear?

Talk to you later.
Shenan

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