On Mar 20, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Marc CASTEELS wrote:

And then came OS X.  In OS X, Apple tries to hide (using application
bundle files), that a very complex system is running underneath.
They are in fact bringing part of the problems Windows has, to the Mac.

Bundles actually prevent the exact Windows problem you are worried about. Now each app can have whatever version of whatever files it wants, and none of them need to worry about what another one has.

Gone are the days of MS apps fighting over "first run" when you start them because IE wants version A of something while Word wants version B.

And properly written OS X apps (which are becoming almost all of them now), no longer need any kind of an installer. We are back to the days of drag the application to the hard drive, it is installed, want to uninstall it? Drag it to the trash... done. That simplicity really hasn't been seen since pre-System 6. Yea, the occasional simple application could do it all the way thru OS 9, but they were really few and far between (unless they were really just a simple application, anything that involved any real abilities always had an installer so it could toss whatever support files it needed wherever it felt it needed it).

Me-thinks you are still thinking about the early OS X days, when everyone was writing software with the Linux concept in mind instead of following Apple's advice on using Bundles. Back then, yes, every single application tossed a bajillion files all over the hard drive. But really, with just a few exceptions, that is all gone. Heck, even MS software is for the most part drag and drop installation (it still does some First Run stuff and moves some support files around, but not as bad as it was in the days of Office 4 on System 7-8).

 And I hate to see
operating systems where too much energy is eaten by the GUI and animated
trashcans and file-icons that tend to sing a song for you.

Alas, when it comes to who is actually buying these machines, you are in the minority. The common know nothing user wants all flash and doesn't really care as much about the bang.

Don't you folks like the fact that a Mac SE/30 says "Boing" and after
merely 20 seconds, you can start typing a letter ?  With todays CPU
power, that should be 2 seconds.

I could time it if you want an exact time, but rest assured, my iMac Core Duo running 10.4.9 boots far far faster than my SE/30 ever did. If you had an SE/30 booting in 20 seconds, then you didn't run much. Mine was more like 2 minutes starting up thanks to all the extensions that I had (and all the regular headaches of trying to figure out which extension needed to load when so I didn't have regular crashes). My iMac, is about 15 seconds, with the first 10 of that being POST and preload (checking the gig and a half of ram and other internal diagnostics, and then starting the boot loader so it can actually read the drive to load the OS). From the time I get the blue screen (where it has actually started to load the OS), to when I can use it, is about 5 seconds. My external MyBook drive takes longer than that to come up to speed from sleep!

I think of that each time I see OS X telling me "Optimizing your
installation" for 15 min to half an hour.

This depends on a few factors such as how full your hard drive is, how fast the machine can talk to the drive, and how fast the machine is. Again, my iMac CD, 200 GB SATA drive, about half full, takes about 2 minutes (or less) to do the Optimizing after an installation. My older iMac (400 MHz G3), with an 80 GB drive about 95% full, usually took about 10 minutes to do the same task.



-chris
<www.mythtech.net>


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