Bea writes,

<Its a Mac OS X laptop with OS 9 (Classic). >

Yes, but which one? Is it a Lombard or Pismo Powerbook? Is it an iBook? 
And if it is an iBook, is it a G3/500? G3/800? G3/900? Or is it one of 
the G4 iBooks with a 1-gig or more processor? See, as the owner of a 
G3/800 iBook, it would be just as truthful for me as it is for you to 
say, "I have a Mac OS X laptop with OS 9 Classic," but that doesn't tell 
anybody who might want to make reasonable suggestions as to which Mac 
laptops you could get as a cheap backup spare but would still be able to 
do your most important stuff while your "real" one is getting fixed. And 
also if you ever post to a Mac list with technical issues you're having, 
the other listers are going to need to know WHAT MODEL your "Mac OS X 
laptop with OS 9 Classic" actually IS, in order to be able to help you 
better. Sometimes even just saying "OS X" isn't enough, they need to know 
if you're on Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger or Leopard, even to the rev. In 
my case that's Tiger 10.4.9.

Oh, never mind me, I've been hanging around on all those LEM lists for 
waaaayyyy toooo looong! ;-)

<This happened as a result of loading an application for a new HP 
printer, using technical 
support at Hewlett Packard (located in Canada). I was told later it was 
because the driver software that came with the new printer had been on 
the shelf too long (at Costco).  The creash altered my desktop, the font 
was affected and the instead of a plain background it loaded a picture 
from my library.  I tried to change it in the appropriate place but it 
wouldn't do it.  >

Um wait -- DRIVER SOFTWARE has a SHELF LIFE?! You mean drivers are like 
milk, say, which spoils around the time it reaches the expiration date?!  
:-O I've never heard of any such thing -- hey CE listers, have any of YOU 
heard of this before? Crashes from wrong or buggy drivers, yes, but "on 
the shelf too long?" Bea, if THAT'S what they told you was the reason for 
your crash -- until someone in here tells me different, I think you were 
dealing with "techies" who didn't know what they were talking about.

<The Apple software had to be re-loaded. They recovered the desktop stuff 
but it was Claris that was affected!  

I had to rely on the techie to put Claris together - it is in such a 
mess - nothing seems to be where it should.  I thought in OSX/OS9 Classic 
 that there should be two folders in Applications.  There are 26 items in 
the Applications folder - but no OS X folder or OS 9 folder (where Claris 
should reside!).  I did a Spotlight Search and found all the Claris 
Folders and there are quite a few!  Finally one that was being used 
according to the dates and I assumed that was the relevant one that I 
backed up!

Thats where I am at the moment.>

Oh, you poor thing -- but for the future, there is a fix for this -- when 
you get a chance, organize the contents of your Mac so YOU know where 
everything is.

Bea, you do NOT have to accept where your Mac puts your applications, 
either in OS 9 or OS X. You can put them in places where you will be able 
to find them. I've been doing that since I bought my first Mac in 1995. 
The ONLY apps I ever kept in the Mac Applications folder were the system 
ones for the OS. All my other apps, including third party ones, are kept 
in folders I created in a "specific functions" type of organization 
system. That is, Internet apps (including CE) are all in a particular 
folder I made to keep them in; games are in yet another folder, word 
processing/snail mail stuff like my label program has its own folder, and 
so on. Files generated by these apps are also in those folders, so if I 
wanted to find, say, a letter I wrote in 1997, I can find it pretty fast. 
I very rarely use Spotlight (and I didn't use Sherlock, or "Find" very 
often either, back in the day) because I know where all my stuff is -- on 
ALL my Macs.  I use the same, as my BF described it, "encryption scheme," 
on all of them. I only use the searches on the rare occasion I'm just too 
darn LAZY to open bunches of subfolders to get at something, not because 
the search programs are my only way to find things (especially 
applications I use frequently!). But not knowing where CE is?! All I can 
say is, "OMG, how could THAT happen?!"

You only NEED to have TWO CE folders -- the one which is your active 
in-use folder, and the backup of it you make (and update) elsewhere (in 
your case from what you mentioned previously, on the flash drive) -- by 
dragging and dropping as I've mentioned.

...and if the printer driver business blew up your Mac to the point where 
you needed to reinstall the OS's -- why do you need a techie for THAT? An 
archive-reinstall from your OS X DVD and a clean reinstall from your OS 9 
CD to get back your Classic can be a time consuming PITA, yes, but 
otherwise it's easy. You already have the disks, and best of all -- you 
don't have to take your machine apart!

~Yersinia.

________

"Why buy shampoo when real poo is still free?"

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