>Bea writes,
>
><Its a Mac OS X laptop with OS 9 (Classic). >
>
>Yes, but which one? Is it a Lombard or Pismo Powerbook? Is it an iBook?
>And if it is an iBook, is it a G3/500? G3/800? G3/900? Or is it one of
>the G4 iBooks with a 1-gig or more processor? See, as the owner of a
>G3/800 iBook, it would be just as truthful for me as it is for you to
>say, "I have a Mac OS X laptop with OS 9 Classic," but that doesn't tell
>anybody who might want to make reasonable suggestions as to which Mac
>laptops you could get as a cheap backup spare but would still be able to
>do your most important stuff while your "real" one is getting fixed. And
>also if you ever post to a Mac list with technical issues you're having,
>the other listers are going to need to know WHAT MODEL your "Mac OS X
>laptop with OS 9 Classic" actually IS, in order to be able to help you
>better. Sometimes even just saying "OS X" isn't enough, they need to know
>if you're on Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger or Leopard, even to the rev. In
>my case that's Tiger 10.4.9.
Whow thats quite a diatribe - I am using a G4 Tiger 10.411 1.67 GHz
PowerPcG4,
Memory 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM
>
>Oh, never mind me, I've been hanging around on all those LEM lists for
>waaaayyyy toooo looong! ;-)
On something for sure :) What is a LEM list?
>
><This happened as a result of loading an application for a new HP
>printer, using technical
>support at Hewlett Packard (located in Canada). I was told later it was
>because the driver software that came with the new printer had been on
>the shelf too long (at Costco). The creash altered my desktop, the font
>was affected and the instead of a plain background it loaded a picture
>from my library. I tried to change it in the appropriate place but it
>wouldn't do it. >
>
>Um wait -- DRIVER SOFTWARE has a SHELF LIFE?!
The shelf life relates to updates since the printer was shipped from
the factory!
>You mean drivers are like
>milk, say, which spoils around the time it reaches the expiration date?!
>:-O I've never heard of any such thing -- hey CE listers, have any of YOU
>heard of this before? Crashes from wrong or buggy drivers, yes, but "on
>the shelf too long?" Bea, if THAT'S what they told you was the reason for
>your crash -- until someone in here tells me different, I think you were
>dealing with "techies" who didn't know what they were talking about.
He also told me that he dropped Hewlett Packard printers because their
drivers were not good. This techlie certainly knows what he is doing -
he works in an Apple Approved store
called Di No (not an Apple store) in Pasadena and many great techie's go
to him for help.
What always throws them is Claris!
>
><The Apple software had to be re-loaded. They recovered the desktop stuff
>but it was Claris that was affected!
>
>I had to rely on the techie to put Claris together - it is in such a
>mess - nothing seems to be where it should. I thought in OSX/OS9 Classic
> that there should be two folders in Applications. There are 26 items in
>the Applications folder - but no OS X folder or OS 9 folder (where Claris
>should reside!). I did a Spotlight Search and found all the Claris
>Folders and there are quite a few! Finally one that was being used
>according to the dates and I assumed that was the relevant one that I
>backed up!
>
>Thats where I am at the moment.>
>
>Oh, you poor thing -- but for the future, there is a fix for this -- when
>you get a chance, organize the contents of your Mac so YOU know where
>everything is.
Frankly I'm terrified to touch it once its working again!
>
>Bea, you do NOT have to accept where your Mac puts your applications,
>either in OS 9 or OS X. You can put them in places where you will be able
>to find them. I've been doing that since I bought my first Mac in 1995.
>The ONLY apps I ever kept in the Mac Applications folder were the system
>ones for the OS.
Seems my techie agrees with you! but at my last crash in 2007
Tannis and
others specifically said that CLARIS files had to be in an OS9
Applications folder,
and all else in an OSX Applications folder.
>All my other apps, including third party ones, are kept
>in folders I created in a "specific functions" type of organization
>system. That is, Internet apps (including CE) are all in a particular
>folder I made to keep them in; games are in yet another folder, word
>processing/snail mail stuff like my label program has its own folder, and
>so on. Files generated by these apps are also in those folders, so if I
>wanted to find, say, a letter I wrote in 1997, I can find it pretty fast.
>I very rarely use Spotlight (and I didn't use Sherlock, or "Find" very
>often either, back in the day) because I know where all my stuff is
I have hundreds of folders and subfolders with thousands of Emails
in each of them in the folder section of the Claris desktop. I don't
know where they reside in the database- but they are organized according
to my work, while others are sub-folders under Personal. When messages
are downloaded I file, answer, or dump them immediately - or ASAP. My
other work accomplished in Word and Excel is in folders on the OSX
desktop, as are photos - all in their separate folders....less used stuff
is on the Macintosh HD.
-- on
>ALL my Macs. I use the same, as my BF described it, "encryption scheme,"
>on all of them.
And how do you organize a personal 'encryption scheme'
>I only use the searches on the rare occasion I'm just too
>darn LAZY to open bunches of subfolders to get at something, not because
>the search programs are my only way to find things (especially
>applications I use frequently!). But not knowing where CE is?! All I can
>say is, "OMG, how could THAT happen?!"
I don't have to open lots of subfolders to get to what I want. My folder
list is very well organized into different groups related to my activity
and all it takes is
scrolling down and dragging the Email into it. With mail downloaded to
my desktop I sort by subject, or by name sort to file groups of Emails
quickly. I sort by date to deal with the latest incoming. Its all fast
and efficient. I use spotlight to find things not in Claris. (usually
phone numbers). The only thing i hate about it is that I can't tell
where the file resides - with OS9 as you could clearly see where with
Sherlock.
>
>You only NEED to have TWO CE folders -- the one which is your active
>in-use folder, and the backup of it you make (and update) elsewhere (in
>your case from what you mentioned previously, on the flash drive) -- by
>dragging and dropping as I've mentioned.
Another techie I used for years (for free) until he commanded too much
money in his job as a computer expert for a large film distribution
company - and he always told me to keep the old stuff (which is i think
where the problem began) - because he never really understood the
workings of Claris as most of you on this list do. His last ditch effort
for me, however, was to find me an update of CE, i.e. 2.0v3 - the very
last update. He was also an Apple beta tester.
>
>...and if the printer driver business blew up your Mac to the point where
>you needed to reinstall the OS's -- why do you need a techie for THAT? An
>archive-reinstall from your OS X DVD and a clean reinstall from your OS 9
>CD to get back your Classic can be a time consuming PITA, yes, but
>otherwise it's easy. You already have the disks, and best of all -- you
>don't have to take your machine apart!
I do have a disk - but I'm not sure about a complete
re-install...wouldn't that lose all of your data? I did discover with
this crash that the Address Book was a database separate from the Email -
thank goodness, otherwise I'd have lost my latest additions!
Lovely to get all these details from you all - many thanks from a
neophite...
Bea
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