Thanks, I am aware of the end of support for Wheezy. To be honest I have been resisting upgrading because a) it tends to be very disruptive to a production server for a live website that is used by lots of people (I can't recall one major in-place upgrade that ever went smoothly, so usually a complete re-install is needed), and b) I have been unnerved by some of the debate I have seen about the move to systemd. I don't know much about it myself, but I have heard from people who do seem to know about it that it was quite controversial, to say the least. I don't like monolithic systems that pull everything else in, and it seems like that is the direction systemd is going in. I've been thinking about moving over to Devuan, but I haven't checked on the status of that project in a while. To be honest I have more pressing things to be worrying about usually, and since Wheezy is very stable, it's been low on the list of priorities to upgrade. If it works... also, I get the thing about security upgrades, but I do have my box pretty well locked down in terms of firewall rules, I disable most services that I don't use and I build my own Apache from latest source, and MySQL is hidden behind the firewall. I know stuff could come up with sendmail or bind, but you do your best to keep up.
Thanks, Neil Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > Well, your Debian Wheezy box will probably continue to run just fine with > Embperl :) > > Seriously though, you should be aware that that release is nearly out > of long-term support, and you should be planning an upgrade to Stretch > - an excellent opportunity to reap the benefits of our continued attempts > to keep things working and not be running a release without security > support. > > As you say, it would be good to hear if there are any plans from anyone > who can actively pursue maintenance of Embperl (which implies keeping it > working on new perls) who has a stake in it - as there is, I think, > noone from the Debian side in this position. > > Thanks for the feedback - it is appreciated. > > Best, > Dominic. > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 09:06:16AM -0700, Neil Gunton wrote: >> I am still actively using Embperl on my websites, fwiw. My main site is >> the largest collection of bicycle tour journals in the world. I may not >> show up in your statistics, but I just wanted to add one voice to the >> "please keep it" side. I really like Embperl, it just works and has done >> so for the last 18 years for me. I use Debian Wheezy currently, and my >> systems don't tend to change much or very often. It's true that Embperl >> isn't as actively developed as it used to be, but as with many things >> Perl, it is still used by some people in systems that have been around >> for a good long while, because they just do the job they are intended to >> do and work well, so there's no need for constant churn. I would hope >> that Gerald Richter and/or others would at least keep the package up to >> date so it can continue to be included in Debian, because being taken >> out completely seems like another step toward complete abandonment. If >> it's not too much trouble to keep it in, I'd ask for that to happen. The >> users might not be vocal or active in development of the package (I'm >> not), but it is used and has been for a long time. >> >> My website is called crazyguyonabike, it's that dot com if anyone's >> interested. Not facebook by any means, but it's an active journaling >> website and like I said the largest in the world for bicycle tour >> journals. I'm also actively working on expansions to the site into other >> topics, so this is not a dead issue for me. I plan on continuing to use >> Embperl on new sites going forward. >> >> Thanks for your consideration, >> >> Neil Gunton >> >> Dominic Hargreaves wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As you can see from the message below, we are considering removing Embperl >>> from Debian because of concerns about not being actively maintained. We >>> have had to patch it several times to cope with changes in newer upstream >>> versions over the past few years, and we don't think it is really being >>> used much in Debian any more. >>> >>> Interested if anyone has any thoughts on this from the user or upstream >>> dev perspective. >>> >>> Best, >>> Dominic. >>> >>> ----- Forwarded message from Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li> ----- >>> >>> Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 17:08:38 +0200 >>> From: Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li> >>> To: sub...@bugs.debian.org >>> Subject: Bug#899021: libembperl-perl: FTBFS with Perl 5.27, unmaintained >>> upstream >>> Reply-To: Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li>, 899...@bugs.debian.org >>> >>> Source: libembperl-perl >>> Version: 2.5.0-11 >>> Severity: serious >>> Justification: unmaintained upstream, and will shortly break in Debian >>> X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-p...@lists.debian.org >>> User: debian-p...@lists.debian.org >>> Usertags: perl-5.28-transition hh2018 >>> >>> The upstream version of this package has not worked since 5.18, and we >>> have had to apply several fixes in Debian since. The build has now >>> broken again with Perl 5.27: >>> >>> http://perl.debian.net/rebuild-logs/perl-5.27-throwaway/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11_amd64-2018-05-18T08:09:28Z.build >>> >>> The problem in this case might not be that hard to fix, but I have >>> been consisdering deprecating/removing this for some time, as there is >>> a limit to how long we can be de facto upstream for this type of >>> package. >>> >>> Currently the package has a popcon of inst: 37 / vote: 22 / recent: 1 >>> suggesting that it is barely used anywhere. So I suggest that rather than >>> spending any more time maintaining it, we remove it from Debian. >>> >>> CC to debian-perl to get wider exposure of the proposal. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Dominic. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- End forwarded message ----- >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: embperl-unsubscr...@perl.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: embperl-h...@perl.apache.org >>> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: embperl-unsubscr...@perl.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: embperl-h...@perl.apache.org
