If you're building Apache from source, you'll also be building Embperl from source too - in which case, the plans Debian has to remove the packages will not have any direct affect on you.
Cheers, Dominic. On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 12:13:09PM -0700, Neil Gunton wrote: > Thanks, I am aware of the end of support for Wheezy. To be honest I have > been resisting upgrading because a) it tends to be very disruptive to a > production server for a live website that is used by lots of people (I > can't recall one major in-place upgrade that ever went smoothly, so > usually a complete re-install is needed), and b) I have been unnerved by > some of the debate I have seen about the move to systemd. I don't know > much about it myself, but I have heard from people who do seem to know > about it that it was quite controversial, to say the least. I don't like > monolithic systems that pull everything else in, and it seems like that > is the direction systemd is going in. I've been thinking about moving > over to Devuan, but I haven't checked on the status of that project in a > while. To be honest I have more pressing things to be worrying about > usually, and since Wheezy is very stable, it's been low on the list of > priorities to upgrade. If it works... also, I get the thing about > security upgrades, but I do have my box pretty well locked down in terms > of firewall rules, I disable most services that I don't use and I build > my own Apache from latest source, and MySQL is hidden behind the > firewall. I know stuff could come up with sendmail or bind, but you do > your best to keep up. > > Thanks, > > Neil > > Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > > Well, your Debian Wheezy box will probably continue to run just fine with > > Embperl :) > > > > Seriously though, you should be aware that that release is nearly out > > of long-term support, and you should be planning an upgrade to Stretch > > - an excellent opportunity to reap the benefits of our continued attempts > > to keep things working and not be running a release without security > > support. > > > > As you say, it would be good to hear if there are any plans from anyone > > who can actively pursue maintenance of Embperl (which implies keeping it > > working on new perls) who has a stake in it - as there is, I think, > > noone from the Debian side in this position. > > > > Thanks for the feedback - it is appreciated. > > > > Best, > > Dominic. > > > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 09:06:16AM -0700, Neil Gunton wrote: > >> I am still actively using Embperl on my websites, fwiw. My main site is > >> the largest collection of bicycle tour journals in the world. I may not > >> show up in your statistics, but I just wanted to add one voice to the > >> "please keep it" side. I really like Embperl, it just works and has done > >> so for the last 18 years for me. I use Debian Wheezy currently, and my > >> systems don't tend to change much or very often. It's true that Embperl > >> isn't as actively developed as it used to be, but as with many things > >> Perl, it is still used by some people in systems that have been around > >> for a good long while, because they just do the job they are intended to > >> do and work well, so there's no need for constant churn. I would hope > >> that Gerald Richter and/or others would at least keep the package up to > >> date so it can continue to be included in Debian, because being taken > >> out completely seems like another step toward complete abandonment. If > >> it's not too much trouble to keep it in, I'd ask for that to happen. The > >> users might not be vocal or active in development of the package (I'm > >> not), but it is used and has been for a long time. > >> > >> My website is called crazyguyonabike, it's that dot com if anyone's > >> interested. Not facebook by any means, but it's an active journaling > >> website and like I said the largest in the world for bicycle tour > >> journals. I'm also actively working on expansions to the site into other > >> topics, so this is not a dead issue for me. I plan on continuing to use > >> Embperl on new sites going forward. > >> > >> Thanks for your consideration, > >> > >> Neil Gunton > >> > >> Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> As you can see from the message below, we are considering removing Embperl > >>> from Debian because of concerns about not being actively maintained. We > >>> have had to patch it several times to cope with changes in newer upstream > >>> versions over the past few years, and we don't think it is really being > >>> used much in Debian any more. > >>> > >>> Interested if anyone has any thoughts on this from the user or upstream > >>> dev perspective. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Dominic. > >>> > >>> ----- Forwarded message from Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li> ----- > >>> > >>> Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 17:08:38 +0200 > >>> From: Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li> > >>> To: sub...@bugs.debian.org > >>> Subject: Bug#899021: libembperl-perl: FTBFS with Perl 5.27, unmaintained > >>> upstream > >>> Reply-To: Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li>, 899...@bugs.debian.org > >>> > >>> Source: libembperl-perl > >>> Version: 2.5.0-11 > >>> Severity: serious > >>> Justification: unmaintained upstream, and will shortly break in Debian > >>> X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-p...@lists.debian.org > >>> User: debian-p...@lists.debian.org > >>> Usertags: perl-5.28-transition hh2018 > >>> > >>> The upstream version of this package has not worked since 5.18, and we > >>> have had to apply several fixes in Debian since. The build has now > >>> broken again with Perl 5.27: > >>> > >>> http://perl.debian.net/rebuild-logs/perl-5.27-throwaway/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11_amd64-2018-05-18T08:09:28Z.build > >>> > >>> The problem in this case might not be that hard to fix, but I have > >>> been consisdering deprecating/removing this for some time, as there is > >>> a limit to how long we can be de facto upstream for this type of > >>> package. > >>> > >>> Currently the package has a popcon of inst: 37 / vote: 22 / recent: 1 > >>> suggesting that it is barely used anywhere. So I suggest that rather than > >>> spending any more time maintaining it, we remove it from Debian. > >>> > >>> CC to debian-perl to get wider exposure of the proposal. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Dominic. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- End forwarded message ----- > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: embperl-unsubscr...@perl.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: embperl-h...@perl.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: embperl-unsubscr...@perl.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: embperl-h...@perl.apache.org
