On Wednesday 16 January 2013 13:15:44 Kent A. Reed did opine:
Message additions Copyright Wednesday 16 January 2013 by Gene Heskett

> On 1/16/2013 9:15 AM, Michael Haberler wrote:
> > a short update:
> There's a lot of really good news here, folks. My thanks and a tip of
> the hat to Michael, John, Charles, and everyone else who has
> contributed. I doubt most of us can appreciate how much work has been
> done to get us to this point. The devil's in the details as they say.
> 
> > linuxcnc development branches:
> > 
> > ... John and me are working to produce a single 'userland threads'
> > build which supports all of the mentioned styles, and activates them
> > based on autodetection of the underlying kernel (default) or
> > explicity through a startup option. This should make it significantly
> > easier for the build process, and also for trying different kernels
> > with the same configuration (reboot, but no rebuild required).
> 
> This is terrific. I've futzed with various schemes to keep separate
> builds available on the same machine and it's a real nuisance.
> 
> > ...
> > 
> > x86 kernels:
> > 
> > from the 'it doesnt boot on my machine' perspective it seems we're
> > through the worst with this kernel:
> > http://static.mah.priv.at/public/xenomai-debs/linux-image-3.2.21-xeno
> > mai+_0.4_i386.deb . However, John is working with the folks on the
> > Xenomai list to produce debian-style and other 'universal' kernels
> > which likely will be based on a later vanilla kernel (3.5.x). Since
> > these will likely see more exposure than my initial attempt I would
> > rather bet on that option. There is also talk about forward-porting
> > the ipipe patch to 3.8 so with that route it seems to me the 'kernel
> > too old' problem will go away. John probably can give a better
> > picture here.
> 
> Fortunately, all your kernels have booted on my machines without any
> problems not of my own making. I'm glad to hear the worst is over for
> others.
> 
> I'm also relieved to hear the ipipe folks are still breathing.
> 
> > from the latency perspective, I must say the results are still
> > confusing - we have Sam's AMD results which are disappointing, and we
> > have other reports like memleak's which really shine on an AMD
> > (different base version though).  We have no figures from the efforts
> > on the Xenomai list yet, but that shouldnt be too long. Also memleak
> > has access to my git kernel repo and I am looking forward to having a
> > build which can be reviewed on other platforms as well. So here it's
> > more about consistent results, rather than instability. In fact I
> > havent seen a kernel oops or crash with the 3.2.21 based kernels in
> > quite a while.
> 
> Sam's results were so different from my own that I keep thinking there's
> something obvious we're missing here. Time will tell. I need to repeat
> my tests using the latest version.
> 
> > ARM work:
> > 
> > Several people have been able to get the Beaglebone ubuntu/xenomai
> > setup working as outlined here:
> > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BeagleboneDevsetup I have
> > updated the kernel and rootfs image a few days ago so the kernel
> > includes ext2/3/4 support compiled in, which should take care of two
> > failure reports I got.
> > 
> > Again that xenomai kernel is based on 3.2.21; it works very stable for
> > me but there have been several reports of 'sudden stops'. The BB is a
> > bit sensitive to power fluctuations but it might be more than that.
> > As for that kernel, it works, but it is based on a branch which will
> > see no further development. It supports most of the stuff needed to
> > development; there might be some patches coming from more active BB
> > users than me.
> 
> I'm not convinced it is solely a power supply issue, at least not in my
> case, but more usage should shed light on any underlying problems. I'd
> be happy to be proven wrong.
> 
> > Charles has done some great work for a high-speed stepgen on the
> > Beaglebone, and a few folks have reproduced that, but I leave the
> > fanfare to Charles here;)
> 
> That's your cue, Charles; time to appear through the curtain before the
> drum roll stops :-)
> 
> > I have done no further work on the Raspberry, I do not consider that
> > platform particularly useful to base work on.
> 
> Yep. For me, the RPi ranks right up there with Arduinos as fun but
> ultimately dissatisfying. I'm using mine for spur-of-the-moment
> projects.
> 
> > RTAI note:
> > 
> > I was pointed to this thread recently, which is interesting to read
> > for several reasons:
> > https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2012-December/thread.html  "Git
> > repository for RTAI"
> > 
> > It does mention a Ubuntu 12.04 RTAI kernel (Shahbaz Youssefi shabbyx
> > at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 11:09:41 CET 2012) - it might be worth
> > following that up, maybe this is an option to get the current builds
> > out of the 10.04 end-of-support-life situation. I would appreciate if
> > somebody more RTAI-aware than me would pick that up.
> > 
> > It also touches on the issue how the source repository and
> > collaboration model touches upon a project's success, and that's an
> > interesting read. It looks like the nature of open source communities
> > changes due to for instance the github model, making it easier for
> > the casual contributor, which is a sore spot with the linuxcnc
> > proejct. Something to think about.
> 
> Interesting read, indeed.
> 
> Regards,
> Kent

Same here Kent, and I am waiting for the first proposed cd alfa image that 
will boot on x86.  I have a sacrificial goat in the garage that will 
torture test it, slow 1ghz athlon, short of memory.  Should make a great 
goat. 
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