Allan - Thanks for your efforts in summarizing the discussion.
Adding to the final segment of your conclusion a term "Peripheral" (applies to Network equipment not to Terminal/Peripheral equipment) would, I believe, further clarify the demarcation between applicability of the EN 300 386-2 vs. CISPR 24. Vitaly Gorodetsky The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the reader -----Original Message----- From: Allan G. Carr [SMTP:e...@agctel.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:07 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: H.T. Hildering Subject: Re: FW: Compliance of a USB telephone Theo I thought I should post the consensus of our discussion on the applicability of the R&TTE Directive for the avoidance of doubt by other readers of this newsgroup. The R&TTE applies to TERMINAL equipment - that is equipment connected on the subscribers side of the NTTP (Network Test and Terminal Point). Therefore a modem in a users home is covered by the R&TTE as would a modem used by a company that does not have a telecommunications operators licence. It does not apply to NETWORK equipment - that is equipment on the network side of the NTTP which is owned by the PTO (licensed Public Telecommunications Operator). Therefore an ISP's (Internet Service Provider's) modem, typically rack mounted and sited in the local exchange, is Network equipment and is not within the scope of the R&TTE. This difference may seem academic as there are no Telecommunications Terminal Equipment specifications designated under the R&TTE Directive and safety to EN 60 950 applies on both sides of the NTTP but the EMC specifications are slightly different. EN 300 386-2 "Electromagnetic compatibility and Radio spectrum Matters (ERM); Telecommunication network equipment; Electro-Magnetic Compatibility (EMC) requirements; Part 2: Product family standard" applies to Network equipment but not to Terminal equipment. Hope this helps Allan __________________ In article <EDFA411E5E4AD2118D6F00A0C99E4BAC01DF752E@FLBOCEXU02 <mailto:EDFA411E5E4AD2118D6F00A0C99E4BAC01DF752E@FLBOCEXU02> >, wo...@sensormatic.com <mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com> writes > >Forwarding a reply > >---------- >From: H.T. Hildering [SMTP:h.t.hilder...@ktl.com] <mailto:[SMTP:h.t.hilder...@ktl.com]> ><mailto:[SMTP:h.t.hilder...@ktl.com] <mailto:[SMTP:h.t.hilder...@ktl.com]> > >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:49 AM >To: wo...@sensormatic.com <mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com> <mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com <mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com> > >Subject: RE: Compliance of a USB telephone > >Sorry for my late reply. >For applying the R&TTE directive, the intended use is the crux. I wander or >it is possible nowadays - if computers are connected to the internet- , to >deny that it is not intended for communication using the internet; for >example using Voice over IP! >I would say that every computer (and connected equipment), that can >communicate to the internet is falling under the scope of the R&TTE. >Consider for yourself what is stated in the R&TTE directive: >"telecommunications terminal equipment" means a product enabling >communication or a relevant component thereof which is intended to be >connected directly or indirectly by any means whatsoever to interfaces of >public telecommunications networks (that is to say, telecommunications >networks used wholly or partly for the provision of publicly available >telecommunications services); >Only when it is IMPOSSIBLE to reach a public network, the R&TTE is not >applicable. >The consequence for the USB telephone is that there are no restrictions on >the power voltage (as stated in the LVD), so the telephone must fully comply >with all the requirements as mentioned in the safety directive(for example >acoustical shock) > >Best regards, >Theo Hildering >KTL > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org> <mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org> > >[mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] <mailto:[mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]> <mailto:[mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] <mailto:[mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]> > >On Behalf Of >wo...@sensormatic.com <mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com <mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com> > >Sent: 02 November 2000 19:29 >To: ico...@itl.co.il; <mailto:ico...@itl.co.il;> <mailto:ico...@itl.co.il; <mailto:ico...@itl.co.il;> > emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> ><mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > >Subject: RE: Compliance of a USB telephone > > >Let me see if I understand this product. It is a telephone like device that >is solely intended to be connected to the USB port of a PC and it is not >intended to be connected to the telephone network. >If this is true, then no telephone standards, regulations or directives >apply. Only the EMC directive applies in the EU. The RTTE directive does not >apply since the device is not intended to be connected to the telephone >network. The LVD does not apply since the source voltage is too low. >Compliance with safety requirements of EN60950 is sufficient to show due >diligence for the Liability Directive and General Product Safety Directive. > > > > Dear Group > > > > We are testing an PC telephone unit! > > > > It is a telephone terminal unit that connects to the USB port of >the PC from > > which it receives power. There is no other connection, just the >USB. > > > > Clearly this unit must comply with EMC requirements. Safety >requirements are > > not mandatory but clearly they are recommended to be performed >for >UL1950 > > for the US and EN60950 for Europe. > > > > Two questions: > > > > 1) What about Part 68 in the US? Since unit is not directly >connected to the > > PSTN officially it is exempt from the standard. (Acoustics tests >are covered > > under UL1950) > > > > 2) What about RTTE directive in Europe? There is no standard you >can test > > for. All of TBR 21 tests are not applicable. > > > > Thanks > > Ilan > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Ilan Cohen > > Manager, Telecom Division > > I.T.L (PRODUCT TESTING) Ltd. > > 26 Hacharoshet St, POB 211, Or Yehuda, Israel. > > Tel 972-3-5339022, Fax 972-3-5339019 > > ico...@itl.co.il <mailto:ico...@itl.co.il> <mailto:ico...@itl.co.il <mailto:ico...@itl.co.il> > , website: >http://www.itl.co.il <http://www.itl.co.il <http://www.itl.co.il> > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > > majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org> <mailto:majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org> > > > with the single line: > > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > > Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com <mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com> ><mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com <mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com> > > > Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org <mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org> ><mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org <mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org> > > > > > For policy questions, send mail to: > > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> ><mailto:ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> > > > > ------------------------------------------- >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee >emc-pstc discussion list. >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: >majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org> > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc >For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com <mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com> ><mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com <mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com> > > Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org <mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org> ><mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org <mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org> > > >For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> <mailto:ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> > > >------------------------------------------- >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee >emc-pstc discussion list. >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: >majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org> > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc >For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com <mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com> ><mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com <mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com> > > Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org <mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org> ><mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org <mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org> > > >For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> <mailto:ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> > > > > >------------------------------------------- >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org> >with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > >For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com <mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com> > Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org <mailto:pstc_ad...@garretson.org> > >For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> > > -- Allan G.Carr B.Sc.(Elec.Eng) AMIEE | AGC-Tel Consultants Ltd Telecommunications Consultant | Tel: +44(0)141-956-2506 European Approvals Specialist | Fax: +44(0)141-956-5347 62 Crawford Road, Milngavie | Voice Mail: +44(0)1252-30-3062 Glasgow, G62 7LF, Scotland | http://www.agctel.co.uk <http://www.agctel.co.uk> ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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