100% agree, Darren. My point was that the test lab would not let us carry out some pre-testing ourselves (checking out different EMI efforts). When feeling comfortable, of course only qualified lab staff should do the accredited test.
When a test lab do not let a good customer run some pre-compliance test on his own, it must be: 1. Not allowed according to the laboratory own QA manual 2. Customers not qualified to run the test equipment 3. Insurance, etc. 4. Do not want to offer this type of service 5. Lab want to employ own staff for pre-compliance testing Best regards Amund -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Darren Pearson [mailto:dar...@genesysibs.com] Sendt: 28. mai 2002 10:18 Til: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Emne: Re: Accreditation - testing ourselves I believe the accreditation here in the UK, (UKAS) does say the same thing. That only trained responsible staff of the test laboratory may operate the test equipment, if non employees use the equipment the test lab may loose the accreditation. regards Darren Pearson ----- Original Message ----- From: <am...@westin-emission.no> To: <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: SV: Accreditation - testing ourselves > > Hi Dave > > > >However, if they had not made provisions in their QA manual for use by non > lab personnel they would be in > >violation of there own procedures and subject to audit findings by the lab > accrediting body. > > Agree > > > >They may be hiding behind the accreditation as a graceful way of stopping a > practice they no longer want to be involved in. > > Good point. Agree a lot! > > Best regards > Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Clement Dave-LDC009 [mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com] > Sendt: 23. mai 2002 16:14 > Til: 'am...@westin-emission.no'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' > Emne: RE: Accreditation - testing ourselves > > > From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:25 AM > > >An EMC test lab is accredited according to ISO/IEC 17025. They are also > >accredited for many tests as the IEC61000-4-series, EN55022 and many other. > >We have previously done some EMC pre-testing in this lab and we have > >operated the test equipment ourselves. Now, they won't let us do that with > >reference to their accreditation status. The test lab personnel have to > >operate the test equipment. Does it make sense, is there any restriction in > >the accreditation ? > > There is nothing in ISO 17025 that would prevent a lab from allowing someone > from coming in and using the equipment. However, if they had not made > provisions in their QA manual for use by non lab personnel they would be in > violation of there own procedures and subject to audit findings by the lab > accrediting body. > > Specifically they would need to address; how they were going to ensure that > testing done by non lab personnel would not be represented as lab performed > testing and that test equipment was still in calibration after use by non > lab personnel. > > They may be hiding behind the accreditation as a graceful way of stopping a > practice they no longer want to be involved in. > > Dave Clement > Motorola Inc. > Global Homologation Engineering > 20 Cabot Blvd. > Mansfield, MA 02048 > > P:508-851-8259 > F:508-851-8512 > C:508-725-9689 > mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com > > > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
