Michael, Second and Third party testing is a different issue from what Amund was asking. Second party accreditation has to address independence within the organization to ensure results can not be impacted by business pressures of the organization. Third party accreditation must address confidentiality to ensure one companies proprietary info is not made known to another.
It is only natural to feel more comfortable with a report from an independent lab than one from the manufacturers own lab even if both labs have the same accreditation. From a regulatory standpoint this used to be a requirement but now with all the self declaration programs appearing it is less and less mandatory. Dave Clement Motorola Inc. Global Homologation Engineering 20 Cabot Blvd. Mansfield, MA 02048 P:508-851-8259 F:508-851-8512 C:508-725-9689 mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com -----Original Message----- From: michael.sundst...@nokia.com [mailto:michael.sundst...@nokia.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:00 PM To: Dave Clement; am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Accreditation - testing ourselves Don't forget the aspect of self testing. Doesn't 17025 have special provisions / requirements about self testing your own item? I hear third party testing is always given precedence over self testing data. Is this true and written in 17025 or just the way the auditors interpret it? Michael Sundstrom NOKIA TCC Dallas / EMC ofc: (972) 374-1462 cell: (817) 917-5021 amateur call: KB5UKT -----Original Message----- From: ext Clement Dave-LDC009 [mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:14 AM To: 'am...@westin-emission.no'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: Accreditation - testing ourselves From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:25 AM >An EMC test lab is accredited according to ISO/IEC 17025. They are also >accredited for many tests as the IEC61000-4-series, EN55022 and many other. >We have previously done some EMC pre-testing in this lab and we have >operated the test equipment ourselves. Now, they won't let us do that with >reference to their accreditation status. The test lab personnel have to >operate the test equipment. Does it make sense, is there any restriction in >the accreditation ? There is nothing in ISO 17025 that would prevent a lab from allowing someone from coming in and using the equipment. However, if they had not made provisions in their QA manual for use by non lab personnel they would be in violation of there own procedures and subject to audit findings by the lab accrediting body. Specifically they would need to address; how they were going to ensure that testing done by non lab personnel would not be represented as lab performed testing and that test equipment was still in calibration after use by non lab personnel. They may be hiding behind the accreditation as a graceful way of stopping a practice they no longer want to be involved in. ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
