Dear colleagues, I would like to take this opportunity to ask some questions regarding the item 5.4.7.2 as follows:
5.4.7.2 Testing laboratories shall also have and apply procedures for estimating uncertainties of measurement, except when the test methods preclude such rigorous calculations. In certain cases it is not possible to undertake metrologically and statistically valid estimations of uncertainty of measurement. In these cases the laboratory shall at least attempt to identify all the components of uncertainty and make the best possible estimation, and ensure that the form of reporting does not give an exaggerated impression of accuracy. NOTE: In those cases where a well-recognized test method specifies limits to the values of the major sources of uncertainty of measurement and specifies the form of presentation of calculated results, the laboratory is considered to have satisfied this clause by following the reporting instructions. My questions are: 1) How deep the Certification Bodies go through this item when assessing a manufacturer's laboratory that wishes to work under the SMT (Supervised Manufacturer's Testing) system? 2) Are the CB's following this standard internally (I mean, are the CB's laboratories in full compliance with ISO/IEC 17025? 3) In your oppinion, what are the main items of the ISO/IEC 17025 for the purpose of SMT? Your kind attention to this message will be very appreciated. Regards, Luiz C Bonilla Especialista Sr. I Laboratório de Desenvolvimento e Aprovação de Produtos Multibrás S.A. Eletrodomésticos Fone : (+55) 47 441-4204 / Fax : (+55) 47 441-4740 ---------------------- Forwarded by Luiz C Bonilla/Multibras on 19/06/2002 13:19 --------------------------- To: Luiz C Bonilla/Multibras@Multibras cc: Subject: Re: ISO 9000 --- Or ISO/IEC 17025 (fwd) Martin, The key issue is the competence of the testing and demonstration of compliance to both EMC and Product Safety requirements. The standard to use is ISO/IEC 17025, "General Requirements for the Competence of Calibration and Testing Laboratories". This is the foundation for acceptance of testing worldwide including most mutual recognition agreements. As recognized by various goivernments and and industries as well as ISO and IEC in the Introduction to ISO/IEC 17025: "Certification against ISO 9001 and ISO 9002 does not of itself demonstrate the competence of the laboratory to produce technically valid data and results. The acceptance of testing and calibration results between countries should be facilitated if laboratories comply with this International Standard and if they obtain accreditation from bodies which have entered into mutual recognition agreements with equivalent bodies in other countries using this International Standard. The use of this International Standard will facilitate cooperation between laboratories and other bodies, and assist in the exchange of information and experience, and in the harmonization of standards and procedures." Hope this helps. ISO 9000 was not the answer years ago and it still is not. Larry Gradin *************************************************************** * Larry Gradin, PE, QMS-LA * Email: lgra...@integrity-solutions.org & l.gra...@ieee.org * Integrity Solutions Group, Inc. * 6419 Bridgewood Terrace Boca Raton, FL 33433 USA * Phone 561-395-6007 Efax: 978-285-6589 * Web Page http://www.Integrity-Solutions.org _______________________________________________________ Remember - Quality depends on Integrity, Attention To Detail, Cost-Effective Action, and Commitment -- not buzzwords. ***************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <marti...@appliedbiosystems.com> To: <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: ISO 9000 > > Greetings, > > Several years ago most manufacturing companies were getting evaluated to > ISO 9000 standards. Since that time, there have been some revisions to the > standards. Does your company still spend time and money dealing with ISO > 9000 and it's revisions. If so, why. If not, why not? > > I realize this subject is not directly related to product safety/EMC, so, > if you like, you can email me directly with your responses. > > All responses are appreciated. > > Regards > > Joe Martin > EMC/Product Safety Engineer > Applied Biosystems > marti...@appliedbiosystems.com > _________________________________________________________ Oi! Você quer um iG-mail gratuito? Então clique aqui: http://registro.ig.com.br/ ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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