Hello Charles-
For your first scenario, the air gap distance from shell to inner pins is the determining factor. For the USB connector I have found it nearly impossible to zap the pins in the scenario of a “user’s finger” , so my experience is that this scenario is correct for the USB connector. For your second scenario, I have some experience that disagrees with this. The cable shield will not prevent charge build up on the inner wires, and therefore the host-side connector pins can still receive an ESD discharge from a shielded cable. Here are some war-stories that give my experience with the two questions- “protection from shielded connectors?” and “how much voltage on the pins?”. I’ve had several product failures in the past where the ESD was caused by so-called “cable discharge”. The two most interesting, and I think pertinent to your questions, were a MODEM port and a USB port. Per usual, the former is with an unshielded cable (POTS) and the latter is with a shielded cable. In *both* cases we had ESD upset and/or damage. ESD upset was independent of the presence of a shield. (regarding the question “how much voltage?”) The MODEM problem was reported by our customers and we never found exactly the voltage they were generating. We were able to duplicate the problem in the lab with approx. 7kV applied to the POTS cable. So we know they were developing at least that much voltage in handling the cable. It was instructive to find that amount of charge on an “insulated” cable and we subsequently changed our design practices for the MODEM port. (regarding the “protection from shielded connectors?”) The USB problem was found in our lab during prototype testing with as little as 5 kV on the cable shield. During the insertion of the cable into the shielded USB connector we found that discharge was first from cable-shield to host-shield, but the cable pins still held charge and subsequently discharged to the recessed pins within the host connector. The reason? The cable inner conductors were collecting charge over time through the cable inner insulation. The rate of charge through the insulator was slow, but fast enough to charge the wires over “seconds”, and slow enough to maintain some charge during the “millisecond” long plugging event. So, from those experiences I have three conclusions, 1- contact with inner conductors of a cable is not required to charge up the cable 2- the presence of a shield does not protect the inner pins from ESD discharge 3- the pins of a cable can be charged up to, and can maintain, at least 7 kV during user handling. Hope this helps. Best Regards, Patrick Company reg. name: Vestas Technology R&D Americas, Inc. This e-mail is subject to our e-mail disclaimer statement. Please refer to www.vestas.com/legal/notice <http://www.vestas.com/legal/notice> If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grasso, Charles Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:20 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: ESD protection for HDMI/ESata & other shielded cables Greetings all! I am interested in the forums collective experience on the degree of ESD protection required by HDMI/USB and eSata interfaces given that: 1) The pins are recessed and 2) The I/O has a shielded cable. I see two scenarios: First : - discharge to the I/O pins – either on the product connector or on the cable connector (with the cable attached to the product). It seems to me that a discharge from a users finger to a pin will be difficult to achieve as the field will tend to “jump” to the outer shell of the connector. Second : - electrostatic induction on the cable i.e. a user takes the cable out of the bag and induces a charge on the cable. In this case the predominant field distribution will be contained on the cable shield. So when the cable is offered to the product any discharge will jump again to the cable shield. What’s not clear to me is the esd level induced on the i/o pins as a result of the external discharge and hence my inquiry. Thanks!! Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications (w) 303-706-5467 (c) 303-204-2974 (t) 3032042...@vtext.com <mailto:3032042...@vtext.com> (e) charles.gra...@echostar.com <mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com> (e2) chasgra...@gmail.com <mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. 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