Dear Peter,

      Thanks for the feedback. For one product we went through TUV and
found that for everything they follow UL standards. They demand UL file
number for all the critical parts. In that way we felt UL is the master and
leading in defining the standard hence continuing with UL.

Sincerely                                                          
 SCM
Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd.
K. Balasubramanian                   
                        Modules 0506,
0507 & 0508, D – Block,

Manager – Hardware      
                                    South 
Wing,

TIDEL Park,
Tel : +91 44 42931391                 
                       #4, Rajiv
Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road)
Fax :+91 44 
22540029                                       
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 Dear Mr Balasubramanian,                                                   
                                                                            
 Looks like you need to try and use another National Recognized Test        
 Laboratory (NRTL). Have you tried TUV Rheinland - the North American       
 office is NRTL accredited by OSHA and Standards Council of Canada - Out of 
 19 countries in Asia, TUV Rheinland has 8 offices in India with test       
 laboratory capabilities for world markets.                                 
                                                                            
 http://www.tuv.com/in/en/regional_offices.html                             
                                                                            
                                                                            
 Best Regards,                                                              
                                                                            
 Peter Merguerian                                                           
                                                                            
                                                                            
                                                                            
 --- On Thu, 11/6/08, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in                       
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  From: kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in <kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in>   
  Subject: UL 60950 preliminary inspection / design review                  
  To: emc-p...@ieee.org                                                     
  Cc: "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>             
  Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 6:45 AM                                 
                                                                            
  Dear Experts,                                                             
                                                                            
        We submit most of products to UL for 60950 listing. Almost 95 % of  
  our products are UL listed. We find it very difficult to complete the     
  cycle. Many times we come across situations that the parts used are not   
  meeting UL spec. and a redesign is inevitable. This further complicates   
  the                                                                       
  things and delay the cycle. We look for some consultants who can help us  
  by                                                                        
  participating from the design review stage itself.                        
        The most sad part is many times we submit the product to UL for     
  preliminary inspection during the proto stage and UL (India office        
  located                                                                   
  at Bangalore) gives pass report. Then we go for pilot production          
  (simultaneously we initiate procurement for mass production also) and     
  submit the pilot samples to the same UL office for final certification.   
  At                                                                        
  this time UL is coming with new findings and ultimately product fails to  
  get UL listing. All the times I am sure that there is no difference       
  between                                                                   
  the proto samples and pilot samples. Mostly some resistor values get      
  changed between proto and pilot.                                          
        It is not clear to me whether it is the competence issue at UL      
  India                                                                     
  or UL is greedy in money making. I look for advise from the experts of    
  this                                                                      
  forum. I have been told that UL Taiwan is more proficient in 60950        
  standard. Is this true?                                                   
                                                                            
  Sincerely                                                                 
  SCM                                                                       
  Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd.                                            
  K. Balasubramanian                                                        
                          Modules 0506,                                     
  0507 & 0508, D – Block,                                                   

  Manager – Hardware                                                        

                                      South                                 
  Wing,                                                                     
  TIDEL Park,                                                               
  Tel : +91 44 42931391                                                     
                         #4, Rajiv                                          
  Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road)                                    
  Fax :+91 44                                                               
  22540029                                                                  
  Taramani,                                                                 
  Chennai – 600113. India                                                   

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