When I can be mistaken for Kipling -- even Kipling on an off day -- that is high praise indeed, WRT the physics degrees... my manager has mentioned that the same math taught him in Physics courses was dry, and the engineering approach was interesting. But on these matters I am at disadvantage, as I have an unconventional education and only took the NARTE exam this August. (That is another story; I could have been grandfathered in 1993 and thought it an unnecessary expense). To the extent that universities educate student ready to learn how their after they are hired, and that employers want people who don't have to be trained on-the-job, EMC is, like other disciplines, either in need of further, practical education, (from the employers' point of view) or to be teachable later (from the schools' point of view.) This last approach takes mentors, and in my opinion even more needs that 10-year-old's experience to work. To a point, internship is useful, if you can actually use the interns for EMC; I've seen interns used for various jobs having little to do with their majors. If this seems rambling, maybe it it; I am thinking this out as I type, always a bad idea. Cortland KA5S
----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Owsley <mailto:wdows...@yahoo.com> To: Edward Price <mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com> ;emc-pstc <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> ;k...@earthlink.net Sent: 12/16/2008 10:48:01 PM Subject: RE: EMC Eduction and Training Having served nearly 40 years ago in the previous most unpopular war, Kiplings words as quoted by Mr. Cortland give me pause in the consideration of the question asked. I find wanting, the general "you" in the quote, and still feel that the ideal of who the "you" should be, worthy of the price paid, then, and now. And now I feel as if I'm changing the diapers of those new graduates and young engineers that I doubt have ever wriggled a razors edge across the galena. Their education in the physics of EM consists of digits. Small wonder they look at me like I'm speaking some foreign tongue when I talk about the orthogonal E and H fields propagating along the third axis, all that were created by time varying voltages or currents. Me thinks the next apprentice should have a physics degree, double E's should be double D's for digital designers. - Bill Indecision may or may not be the problem. --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Cortland Richmond <k...@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Cortland Richmond <k...@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: EMC Eduction and Training To: "Edward Price" <ed.pr...@cubic.com>, "emc-pstc" <emc-p...@ieee.org> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:21 PM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- Ed Price wrote Perhaps you can take some comfort from Kipling's words of 125 years ago, when he addressed the peculiar way that society only appreciates you when they really, really need you: For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- And Cortland Richmond replied: Kipling is the soldier's patron saint. I served 21 years: (part of a longer work): And know our living ever watch, To ask, as we would do, Is what you are, worth what we paid? Is what we paid, worth YOU? We are the currency you spend For freedom, fear, or oil; Our blood, the coin you pay, Dark on some foreign soil. copyright Cortland RIchmond Ahem! All said, msny firms seem not to understand that one designs OUT problems (EMC or otherwise) and thereby saves money. We need someone to speak at the EMC Symposium about the pychology of getting our employers to do what is right. As it is, I'm turning into a (461/DO-160-/Part15)- waving missionary. 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