Yes, you need to put it in linear mode before making a true (arithmetic) average measurement. But just to discern whether a signal is BB or NB, averaging using the log amp works just fine. Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: <ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:05:00 -0800 To: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Cc: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Average detector/s The HP8568B we use here displays amplitude in 10dB increments, so I assume that means a log amplifier after the detector? (the amplifier driving the vert deflection responds to the logarithm of the signal level) ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 12/06/2011 01:45 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Average detector/s If video averaging is done with a log amplifier instead of linear, then a geometric mean is taken rather than an arithmetic mean, the latter being an average detector. Both means naturally yield the same output with a cw input, but as the variation in the averaged quantities gets greater (standard deviation increases) the difference between the two types of means gets larger and larger. Hence, for an intermittent broadband signal of high amplitude but very low duty cycle and duration, one would expect very different outputs when using the log display vs. linear. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: <ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:15:40 -0800 To: Bill Owsley <wdows...@yahoo.com> Cc: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Average detector/s For in-house pre-compliance testing, we use a VBW of 10Hz to approximate the time response of an AVG detector. Seems to work quite well. ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Bill Owsley <wdows...@yahoo.com> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 12/06/2011 09:15 AM Subject: [PSES] Average detector/s Quasi-peak was fun, so now let's have fun with the Average detector/s, each and all of them ! For reference, EN 302 208-1, Sec. 8.3, 8.4, 8.5. Detection mode: Averaging Which averaging would this be? On the SA that I'm using, There is video averaging by reducing the VBW to something a lot smaller than RBW. There is EMI average detector, and There is average detector which has two modes, power and video. (one is the log of the average of power, the other is the average of the log of power.) And there is a multiple sweep averaging of the above. And there is adjusting the sweep time while averaging is turned on. And adjusting the span to be measured has an effect on the average measurement. Each can give a different result. So starting with the always correct answer in EMC, "it depends," what are these dependencies? ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. ______________________________________________________________________ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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