UL does not sell standards, it uses the entity incorporated as 'COMM 2000' to sell equipment and standards. I would like to see some of the $millions for annual stds buys go to sending more small-company reps to TCs and WGs.
Derek Walton mentioned MilStds - the cost is front-loaded by U.S. tax dollars, and as the fed government has never been accused of having a profit motive, there is no force from the 'invisible hand' (Adam Smith) driving high standards costs. Brian -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:29 AM To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" As for UL at least, I would imagine that their not-for-profit status, which is largely justified by their activities in creating and maintaining standards, goes a long way in paying for those activities through the tax breaks. Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer AE Solar Energy +1.970.492.2065 Direct +1.970.407.5872 Fax +1.541.312.3832 Main scott.ald...@aei.com 1625 Sharp Point Drive Fort Collins, CO 80525 www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:13 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" I have had conversations with a UL manager and a European IECEE member about standards cost; and both people indicated zero level of concern. To quote George Burns, "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." I understand that there are costs to bear by the WGs and TCs that do this stuff, but have not seen data that indicates any of the purchase cost is used to directly support standards-development people. For the U.S., some of the standards purchase cost can be mitigated on the corporate tax (R&D expenditures or deduct them as a current expense) - but am not an accountant so am not certain of specific requirements. Brian -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:38 AM To: McInturff, Gary Cc: don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" Always one to buck the trend, I think these are reasonable prices We are ripped off by standards bodies left right and centre MHO Derek Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 10:05 AM, "McInturff, Gary" <gary.mcintu...@esterline.com> wrote: Would appear the real pirates are at UL and BSI Gary From: Don Gies [mailto:don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" Ahoy, me hearties! My view is that there are too many standards that are too cheap at this site, and if ANSI were really powering it, they would be doing so from their own site. This site might as well hoist high the Jolly Roger, because its occupied by pirates. Ex.: UL 60950-1 for $20 instead of $422? BS EN 60950-1 for $20 instead of 161 to BSI Members, 322 to non-members? DON GIES ALCATEL-LUCENT SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER BELL LABS - GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Fax: +1 908 582 0582 don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com MEMBER, ALCATEL-LUCENT TECHNICAL ACADEMY From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" Does anyone have experience with the subject standards vendor. Their prices are so low (NFPA 70-2011 for $25!?) it has activated all my if its too good to be true warning systems. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
