Ravinder
W.r.t. your 2nd para, the 1st sentence is roughly what I said in an earlier post - but the 2nd sentence could be a misleading assumption because of what you said in the 1st para (and what I also said in my earlier post about bean counting for the US market!) L John Allen W.London, UK -----Original Message----- From: Ravinder Ajmani [mailto:ravinder.ajm...@hgst.com] Sent: 15 September 2015 18:51 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question Pardon my skepticism, but I have very little faith on the US industries self-enforcing any kind of regulations. When Wall Street analysts expect public companies to show higher profits quarter after quarter, lowering the cost becomes the key driver. However most US companies ship their products overseas, and almost all of these countries have some form of immunity requirements, similar to the EU regulations. Hence one can assume that the products built in US are designed to meet these requirements. The sad thing is that in until the eighties US was leading the world on EMC requirements, but now has fallen behind. My personal view. Regards Ravinder Ajmani HGST, a Western Digital company <mailto:ravinder.ajm...@hgst.com> ravinder.ajm...@hgst.com 5601 Great Oaks Parkway San Jose, CA 95119 <http://www.hgst.com> www.hgst.com -----Original Message----- From: Gary McInturff [ <mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com> mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:16 AM To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question Well not really John - ANSI has no regulatory authority but money does. A business isn't likely to simply add either NRE cost or cost per unit without justification - poor product performance, competitive advantage, regulation. Poor performance isn't even a clean definition - if I have one failure out of 10,000 because of ESD for example - just ship them another one etc. My personal opinion is that proper operation in the field is as important as any other functional specification but whether it's done through self-enforcement or governmental regulation is a thorny question. -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [ <mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:38 PM To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question In message < <mailto:009601d0ef5d$3dc51eb0$b94f5c10$@cox.net> 009601d0ef5d$3dc51eb0$b94f5c10$@cox.net>, dated Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Ed Price < <mailto:edpr...@cox.net> edpr...@cox.net> writes: >True, the FCC is essentially still following the Communications Act of >1934 in its scope. However, telegraph rates aren?t so important >anymore, while the issue of consumer electronics immunity certainly is. >We expect our laws and regulations to evolve to address the important >issues of the day, junking the obsolete and helping with new conflicts. It is interesting that the US (ANSI) participates fully in the IEC committees on immunity, having four experts on each and holding the Convenership of one. Immunity is for other people, right?just -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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