I agree w.r.t. to the definitions of the terms “compliance” & “conformity”, but Ed’s post does throw me a bit because there are many areas where non-compliance would just be totally stupid, e.g. such as driving on the wrong side of the road or ignoring traffic light signals – that’s not restraint of trade (but you can get terminally bored on long straight roads like US Interstates, so maybe that driving on the wrong side on those would “liven things up” and make for “more competitive” traffic situations? J ).
The same goes for not producing compliant products, but there, I think, the European product safety Directives may have the edge over US legislation/NRTL standards approach because the former do not demand “strict compliance” with Harmonised Standards if you can demonstrate that the products do meet the Essential/Particular safety requirements of those Directives, whereas as the US approach seems to positively encourage/require strict compliance to the relevant stds. Maybe that’s why they might be considered stultifying and/or a restraint of trade? John Allen W.London, UK From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net] Sent: 17 January 2016 16:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC complia nce? OTOH, I was always uneasy with the term “compliance” because to me, compliance is a coercive, one-way street. You are expected to comply, without any negotiation; comply or suffer the consequences. You comply, but there is no business incentive to excel. This is not a free market, not capitalism as it should be. I’m not saying that Compliance is pure evil, just that over-emphasis on compliance can yield stultification, restraint of trade and terminal boredom. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC complia nce? In generic terms Compliance is indeed nothing more than adherence to a set of rules. I once debated legal council at a company who wanted exclusive use of the term. I pointed out how this term is used in finance, medical, transportation, product safety, EMC and legal circles. Given a bit more time I'm certain I could come up with a list nearly as long as your arm. This one reason why I personally prefer the term Compliance Engineer. It is unique to this business sector. Among my peers, I like to be more specific and mention product safety engineer or EMC engineer. All the best, Doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 From: Brian Gregory Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply To: Brian Gregory Subject: Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC complia nce? Ah yes, I recall a conversation with a bright one from Garrad Hassan about a mutual customer. He was establishing their compliance with GH's established financial qualifications for an undisclosed analysis. I picked on the distinction rather quickly and had to clarify to him what compliance meant to me, representing an NRTL. Colorado Brian ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Aldous <00000220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC complia nce? Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:11:52 -0800 As is made somewhat more clear in this article <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2015/11/9/sec-we-protect-compliance-officers-except-when-we-prosecute.html> (linked to by the original), this has nothing to do with technical product compliance but is about securities compliance <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_regulation_in_the_United_States> . Sloppy use of the term "compliance" with no explanation of the specific meaning. Scott (am I the "other" Scott?) just made a similar point... I will post anyway. On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brian Gregory <brian_greg...@netzero.net> wrote: If you read the article (and others) it can be read either way. The blog's purpose is to give Compliance Officers tools, reference information and background as to what is going on. That the SEC is getting involved in Compliance investigations indicates to me increased scrutiny of companies' compliance issues. As a technical issue, this appears to me to be bureaucratic overreach at the least, since SEC and DOJ aren't safety organizations like OSHA. I think out-of-compliance issues should be (1) safety based and (2) customer sourced. SEC or DOJ get involved when there's a user-related problem or clear malfeasance (altering of documentation, unsubstantiated claims, etc.), which are covered under existing laws. As I see IEC regulations leaning more towards risk management/aversion, I get the feeling that standards organizations are also contributing to this overreach by trying to solve problems, via regulation/standardization that haven't been proven yet to be problems in the actual marketplace of people, customers and products. If you've been involved in any STP's, it's hard to avoid the feeling that there are some making hay out of increased regulatory oversight, including many ways that help consultants more than end users. Colorado Brian ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com" <0000058ee1229c70-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC compliance? Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:29:10 +0000 Ken, wasn't suggesting increased government regulation, rather useful tips for our own consideration. Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _____ From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC compliance? “Last week was a good one for the compliance profession. “ Could not disagree more. This is big brother, or socialism, call it what you will. A product either meets requirements, or it doesn't. The gov’t instructing the private sector on how to get there is worse than superfluous, it’s damaging. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 <tel:%28256%29%20650-5261> _____ From: "gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com" <0000058ee1229c70-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Reply-To: "gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com" <gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 03:33:42 +0000 To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC compliance? As this is a board that deals primarily with regulatory/compliance issues, I thought the following article was pertinent to our cause and deserving of consideration. FEDS AS THOUGHT LEADERS: A BACK-DOOR COMPLIANCE DEFENSE TAKES SHAPE <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2015/11/11/feds-as-thought-leaders-a-back-door-compliance-defense-takes.html> <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2015/11/11/feds-as-thought-leaders-a-back-door-compliance-defense-takes.html> By Richard L. Cassin <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/author/fcpablog> <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/author/fcpablog> | Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 7:53AM Assistant Attorney General Leslie Caldwell said last week the DOJ's hiring of a compliance counsel doesn't mean the agency is "moving toward recognizing or instituting a 'compliance defense.'" What then will the compliance counsel do? "She will help us evaluate each compliance program on a case-by-case basis -- just as the department always has -- but with a more expert eye," AAG Caldwell told a gethering <http://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/assistant-attorney-general-leslie-r-caldwell-speaks-sifma-compliance-and-legal-society> <http://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/assistant-attorney-general-leslie-r-caldwell-speaks-sifma-compliance-and-legal-society> of compliance officers in New York. Caldwell, pictured above, then set out the factors the DOJ compliance counsel will assess: * Does the institution ensure that its directors and senior managers provide strong, explicit and visible support for its corporate compliance policies? * Do the people who are responsible for compliance have stature within the company? Do compliance teams get adequate funding and access to necessary resources? Of course, we won’t expect that a smaller company has the same compliance resources as a Fortune-50 company. * Are the institution’s compliance policies clear and in writing? Are they easily understood by employees? Are the policies translated into languages spoken by the company’s employees? * Does the institution ensure that its compliance policies are effectively communicated to all employees? Are its written policies easy for employees to find? Do employees have repeated training, which should include direction regarding what to do or with whom to consult when issues arise? * Does the institution review its policies and practices to keep them up to date with evolving risks and circumstances? This is especially important if a U.S.-based entity acquires or merges with another business, especially a foreign one. * Are there mechanisms to enforce compliance policies? Those include both incentivizing good compliance and disciplining violations. Is discipline even handed? The department does not look favorably on situations in which low-level employees who may have engaged in misconduct are terminated, but the more senior people who either directed or deliberately turned a blind eye to the conduct suffer no consequences. Such action sends the wrong message -- to other employees, to the market and to the government -- about the institution’s commitment to compliance. * Does the institution sensitize third parties like vendors, agents or consultants to the company’s expectation that its partners are also serious about compliance? This means more than including boilerplate language in a contract. It means taking action -- including termination of a business relationship -- if a partner demonstrates a lack of respect for laws and policies. And that attitude toward partner compliance must exist regardless of geographic location. Two days after AAG Caldwell's talk in New York, Andrew Ceresney, head of the SEC's enforcement division, spoke to <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2015/11/9/sec-we-protect-compliance-officers-except-when-we-prosecute.html> <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2015/11/9/sec-we-protect-compliance-officers-except-when-we-prosecute.html> the National Society of Compliance Professionals at the group's annual event in DC. He started with a disclaimer: "[T]he views I express here today are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of the Commission or its staff." Then he said something every compliance officer and corporate director and C-suiter should hear and remember: "I have found that you can predict a lot about the likelihood of an enforcement action by asking a few simple questions about the role of the company’s compliance department in the firm." Here are those "simple" questions: * Are compliance personnel included in critical meetings? * Are their views typically sought and followed? * Do compliance officers report to the CEO and have significant visibility with the board? * Is the compliance department viewed as an important partner in the business and not simply as a support function or a cost center? * Is compliance given the personnel and resources necessary to fully cover the entity’s needs? "Far too often," Ceresney said, "the answer to these questions is no, and the absence of real compliance involvement in company deliberations can lead to compliance lapses, which, in turn, result in enforcement issues." (our emphasis) What Caldwell and Ceresney said last week doesn't equal a compliance defense for the FCPA. Congress hasn't changed the law, and courts haven't reinterpreted it. There's still no formal way for a defendant to plead a compliance defense under the FCPA, and respondeat superior (in all its unfairness <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2008/11/24/in-the-masters-defense.html> <http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2008/11/24/in-the-masters-defense.html> ) is still alive and well. Yet what the enforcement top guns said last week will have an impact. They spoke publicly. They used plain English. They were specific in describing what the DOJ and SEC expect to see or not see when evaluating whether to bring an enforcement action. In house lawyers and outside counsel can measure the company's behavior against those words, and argue why an enforcement action isn't warranted. Public accountability of the DOJ and SEC and how they make decisions to bring FCPA enforcement actions just increased. Beyond that, Caldwell and Ceresney last week gave companies more reasons to have strong compliance programs. 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