Ed,Thanks for the response.I am looking to measure the gain of an antenna in order to calculate EIRP of a product.As far as the 2D vs. 3D, I don't have any values. I was hoping some one who has made measurements using both 2D and 3D would be able to comment how much better 3D is over 2D when considering peak gain. I appreciate your feedback, thanks. Stephen
On Friday, July 1, 2016 3:00 PM, Ed Price <edpr...@cox.net> wrote: #yiv3080917348 #yiv3080917348 -- _filtered #yiv3080917348 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {panose-1:2 4 6 4 5 5 5 2 3 4;}#yiv3080917348 #yiv3080917348 p.yiv3080917348MsoNormal, #yiv3080917348 li.yiv3080917348MsoNormal, #yiv3080917348 div.yiv3080917348MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3080917348 a:link, #yiv3080917348 span.yiv3080917348MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3080917348 a:visited, #yiv3080917348 span.yiv3080917348MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3080917348 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3080917348 span.yiv3080917348EmailStyle18 {color:#7030A0;font-weight:bold;}#yiv3080917348 .yiv3080917348MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv3080917348 div.yiv3080917348WordSection1 {}#yiv3080917348 Stephen: There are a number of ways to measure gain, with the basic one being a comparison to a theoretical isotropic radiator (yielding a gain number in dBi). However, the antennas used for EMI and compliance testing are usually used in the near field, where the standard you are testing to defines the acceptable measurement distance and styles of antennas. Thus, there is often a preferred gain measurement technique defined by the standard you are working to. In regard to what you told us, what is 2D & 3D (dimension) gain? And what is peak gain? What standard is defining these terms? Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard Greetings,Does anyone know which standard is used for measuring antenna gain?Are 3D antenna gain measurements typically different than 2D with regards to peak gain? If so, what's typical delta, 0.5dB or less? 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To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org>All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlFor help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org>For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> On Friday, July 1, 2016 3:00 PM, Ed Price <edpr...@cox.net> wrote: #yiv3080917348 #yiv3080917348 -- _filtered #yiv3080917348 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {panose-1:2 4 6 4 5 5 5 2 3 4;}#yiv3080917348 #yiv3080917348 p.yiv3080917348MsoNormal, #yiv3080917348 li.yiv3080917348MsoNormal, #yiv3080917348 div.yiv3080917348MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3080917348 a:link, #yiv3080917348 span.yiv3080917348MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3080917348 a:visited, #yiv3080917348 span.yiv3080917348MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3080917348 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3080917348 span.yiv3080917348EmailStyle18 {color:#7030A0;font-weight:bold;}#yiv3080917348 .yiv3080917348MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv3080917348 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv3080917348 div.yiv3080917348WordSection1 {}#yiv3080917348 Stephen: There are a number of ways to measure gain, with the basic one being a comparison to a theoretical isotropic radiator (yielding a gain number in dBi). However, the antennas used for EMI and compliance testing are usually used in the near field, where the standard you are testing to defines the acceptable measurement distance and styles of antennas. Thus, there is often a preferred gain measurement technique defined by the standard you are working to. In regard to what you told us, what is 2D & 3D (dimension) gain? And what is peak gain? What standard is defining these terms? Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard Greetings,Does anyone know which standard is used for measuring antenna gain?Are 3D antenna gain measurements typically different than 2D with regards to peak gain? If so, what's typical delta, 0.5dB or less? 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