I cannot see a reason not to have a federal installation code for all 50 states. The hodgepodge of local rules and regulations seems, on the surface, unnecessarily complicated. By the way, Canada suffers a similar problem with the proliferation of localized requirements.
Ralph McDiarmid Product Compliance Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:23 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US What a web of “interconnecting” (and not!) US regulations, standards, codes and regulatory authorities!. But we still sometimes then get US-based questions on the “European Wiring Regs” or similar - seems like a case of “Physician, heal thyself” first. ☺ John E Allen W.London, UK From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 July 2016 03:59 To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US And not to confuse the issue even more, but then there is the N.E.S.C. - National Electrical Safety Code (or nowadays ANSI Standard C2) published by IEEE. Adopted in most states in some fashion, except for California which does its own thing. I think this one is primarily aimed at utilities though. Dates back to 1913. On 7/25/2016 6:34 PM, Brian O'Connell wrote: Correct, National Electric Code is pro forma NFPA70, or at least per administrative laws of each U.S. state. But the reader should understand that there are state and municipal regulations that also specifically and formally refer to NFPA79 and NFPA99 as national building codes. And the NFPA itself refers to 99 as a national 'Code'. The scope of the thread was OSHA per the NEC and associated test standards, where my premise is that 'code' and standards evolve and are contrived via various circular references. And Mr. Nute pointed to the problem of the various NEC versions enacted locally (most, but not all, have adopted 2014) vs the referenced product safety standard that would be used to verify compliance by the AHJ. And the OSHA cannot affect any force for an organizing change as their statue scopes only workplace safety. Brian ________________________________________ From: mailto:msherma...@comcast.net mailto:msherma...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 6:02 PM To: Brian O'Connell; mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US NEC is specifically NFPA 70, otherwise known as the National Electrical Code. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Brian O'Connell To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: July 25, 2016 at 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US By 'NEC", will assume that the reference is something like NFPA70 or 79. There are, as we all know, many other elements of NFPA construction requirements . NFPAs can reference ANSI, IEC, NEMA, ASME, IEEE, and other standards; and many ANSI, NEMA, and IEEE standards reference one or more NFPA elements in the scope statements. So the references are intended to be circular. Brian ________________________________________ From: Richard Nute mailto:ri...@ieee.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:15:11 PM To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US “Each NRTL has a scope of test standards that they are recognized for…” https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/ https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/ http://www.osha.gov OSHA's Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) Program. Recognizes private sector organizations to perform certification for certain products to ensure that ... NRTL certification for OSHA purposes is limited to its scope of test standards. Check out your favorite NRTL for its OSHA test standards. We don’t yet know whether the NEC is limited to the OSHA NRTL scope test standards or is open to all test standards the NRTL certifies products to. (Awful English, but understandable.) And, we don’t yet know whether the locally-adopted NEC will be the OSHA NRTL scope test standards or will be open to all test standards the NRTL certifies products to. Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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