Power supplies intended to be built in are subject to regulations that would scope the end-use equipment.
Battery charger and EPS efficiency standards and test methods and regulations are developed by the DoE/EPA and/or the CEC. Both embedded chargers and external chargers are covered. USB C multi-mode chargers and 'adaptive' EPS are not directly covered, but test conditions may be inferred from 10CFR430. Brian From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:44 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hi Scott Douglas, Thanks for reminder! Does DoE regulate External Power Suppliers only, not built-in suppliers? What about battery chargers? It may act as charging and power supply. Regards, Scott From: Scott Douglas <sdouglas...@gmail.com> Reply-To: Scott Douglas <sdouglas...@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 at 3:47 AM To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US And, by the way, don't forget the Department of Energy regulates External Power Supplies. The whole Level VI thing. On Jul 26, 2016 10:38 AM, "Ted Eckert" <000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote: Hello Scott, The CPSC list you provided a link to covers mandatory national requirements for products covered by the CPSC. The key words are “national” and “mandatory”. There is no mandatory national safety requirement for televisions, refrigerators or many other consumer electrical products. OSHA has requirements for products used in the workplace, but OSHA has no authority over non-work use of these products. As numerous other people have noted, local electrical inspectors may have requirements for what is used in the home, but that depends on what code has been adopted locally. NFPA 70, the National Electrical Code, is fairly commonly adopted, but it is not a national law. It may be adopted by a state, county or city and they may adopt it with their own modifications. Even then, the local inspectors aren’t going to go to stores to check approvals on plug-connected products. They typically only do inspections on new construction and remodeling where a building permit is required. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:09 AM To: Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hi Ted, Appreciate your detailed explanation that is very useful for me! OSHA requirements are primarily on the use of equipment at work. For consumer or household products, they are governed by CPSC. I visited CPSC website and tried to find the same thing there. I found the mandatory requirements, ie. Consumer product safety act under below link http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Regulations-Laws--Standards/Regulations-Mandatory-Standards-Bans/ I only found very few products related to above category such as Hair Dryers. No TVs, audios, MWOs, refrigerators, PCs, etc. in the list. I hard to believe they are not regulated. Did I locate incorrect place or the regulation system is different? Tks, Scott From: Ted Eckert <000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Reply-To: Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com> Date: Tuesday, 26 July 2016 at 1:55 AM To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hello Scott, OSHA runs the NRTL program. It includes a list of Nationally Recognized Test Laboratories. Click on any one of the labs and it will show the testing standards that lab is recognized for. A product is NRTL Listed if it has been approved by an NRTL under one of their OSHA approved standards and has been included in that lab’s list of approved products. A2LA laboratories have demonstrated that they follow specific procedures for repeatability and proper testing of products with a fairly broad scope of what they can do. NRTL only covers safety standards for a few laboratories and is much narrower in scope than A2LA. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, OSHA or A2LA. Your mileage may vary. From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:42 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hi John, What is exact meaning of NRTL approved? Is it a sample for type examination against applicable safety standard without production audits? What are the differences between A2LA and NRTL? From: "Tyra, John" <john_t...@bose.com> Reply-To: "Tyra, John" <john_t...@bose.com> Date: Monday, 25 July 2016 at 10:14 PM To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Some states have legal requirements for electrical products to be NRTL approved From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:26 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hi Scott: For consumer and household products, compliance with CPSC requirements is required. No. Only products considered “substantial product hazards” such as hair dryers need comply with CPSC requirements. However, any consumer product that injures someone is subject to CPSC recall order. What about OSHA? Electrical products that are used by employees are required to be NRTL certified. 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