Does a GFCI also produce stronger electric fields than occur in other boxes? But magnetic field sensitivity is quite possibly the explanation. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: IEEE [mailto:d...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fire ants I wonder if there are any entomologists that are studying this effect? Has anyone looked up any of the ant specialists to see if they’ve been exploring this phenomena? WRT to Don’s experience, I wonder if it’s the magnetic field that is attracting them more than the electric field? The GFCI has some toroidal current transformers that might be part of the attraction… I was also wondering if the abdominal signalling/pheromone release behaviour following the electric shock was a call to battle with a perceived enemy, against which they could not win. I guess if you pile on enough dead ants you can eventually trip the breaker feeding the circuit, and the ants “win”, at least in the moment. Anyway, sounds like we need some bug guys involved in this discussion… Doug Nix d...@ieee.org <mailto:d...@ieee.org> +1 (519) 729-5704 On Sep 15, 2016, at 06:14, Gies, Don (Nokia - US) <don.g...@nokia-bell-labs.com <mailto:don.g...@nokia-bell-labs.com> > wrote: Yes. I had a GFCI 20A circuit breaker in my panel feeding my pool pump motor. I went to open my pool last spring and the breaker kept tripping. So, I concluded that the breaker went bad. I opened up the breaker panel to change the breaker and found that the GFCI breaker was infested with ants (regular ones, not fire ants), but interestingly, the GFCI breaker was the ONLY breaker in the entire panel that had ants. DON GIES NOKIA Bell Labs SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Mobile: +1 732 207 7828 <mailto:don.g...@nokia-bell-labs.com> don.g...@nokia-bell-labs.com From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:04 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org> Subject: [PSES] Fire ants All, I was wondering if anyone has any real experiences with fire ant infestation in electrical equipment that they would be willing to share. <http://articles.extension.org/pages/30057/ants-and-electrical-equipment> http://articles.extension.org/pages/30057/ants-and-electrical-equipment It seems to me that for high current contractors and electrical disconnects (not using self-wiping contacts) with contaminants between connection points can result in resistive connections, I^2R heating, potential arcing and if enough voltage is present, series arc faults which over time can erode connections and result in a fire. Does anyone have experience with this as a real problem? Thanks Doug -- Douglas E Powell
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