Thank you - In your example of lifts or a/c it would need to comply with the more restrictive criteria (residential for emissions and industrial for immunity) even though the location may itself not be powered by low-voltage supply. The devices I am working with would not be considered fixed installations, as an elevator would be, so it isn't apples to apples, but disregarding that difference, any idea?
Also, what about a large shopping mall? Or are there different types of environments within the shopping mall: i.e., mechanical room with boilers, HVAC, etc. and stores, walkways, etc.? Thanks, -Jamison From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:31 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Criteria for determining industrial vs. non-industrial for EMC testing purposes You often get heavy electrical machinery in residential, light commercial and hospital (etc.) (especially multi-story) premises - think local power transformers, air-conditioning systems, lifts/elevators, water/sewage pumping equipment, etc - and that can (and has certainly been seen to) affect domestic, IT and medical electronic equipment in those premises. It's the end-use environment that is (or should be) the determining factor in deciding with which category of requirements the EUT must comply. John E Allen W.London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 18 October 2016 16:10 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Criteria for determining industrial vs. non-industrial for EMC testing purposes No, because light industry premises are often very close to residential premises, get power from the low-voltage supply and broadcast receivers can be much closer than 30 m (the assumption for emission limit purposes is 10 m, but of course they could be even closer). With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jmwa.demon.co.uk_&d=DQMFAg&c=clRTYxLjfWTYQkksq4Trqw&r=SuXR4v_cWDGps50Ob7OgG3eGvjdtolb5h84QBM8NxmY&m=2oeB1yFm6V--H8mjvtzgQ6xeJ8JLy0Wc3IjnPTfH6BY&s=l525G496siNA_QwQ5lxfDPu6vxscfAjpp_PeJN5-qcg&e=> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Schmidt, Mark [mailto:markschm...@xrite.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 3:57 PM To: John Woodgate <jmw1...@btinternet.com<mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com>>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: RE: [PSES] Criteria for determining industrial vs. non-industrial for EMC testing purposes Hi John, Would this be applicable for Light Industrial equipment as well? Thank you. From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:49 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Criteria for determining industrial vs. non-industrial for EMC testing purposes For Europe, 'industry' means heavy industry - large machines, high-power electrical installation, not powered from the public low-voltage supply. No broadcast radio or TV receivers likely to be within 30 metres. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jmwa.demon.co.uk_&d=DQMFAg&c=9mghv0deYPYDGP-W745IEdQLV1kHpn4XJRvR6xMRXtA&r=RsvNGGiEXp8Wa3AN0R9oJL3JV5vFvlTsmxQpMmBLBIw&m=anF8KzSlsLQbjsJLP3rXWGZNlarqvhygt0M-gaRnQXk&s=GjhSKIL3JsS7U0_q6lCXxHNYbr7GFcQHvQHPwZ7r0vM&e=> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Kortas, Jamison [mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Criteria for determining industrial vs. non-industrial for EMC testing purposes Good Morning, What do you use for criteria when reviewing the intended environment in which a device will be placed to determine if it is industrial or non-industrial? I have seen and read varying opinions on what criteria to use. 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