That's what I promote and insist on at my company and our COO supports. The product managers need to own and drive the compliance to be designed in up front or they pay for it later.
-----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 11:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Practical ethics? -- text version " a division of labor between profitability and responsibility." Is the principle of my contention that project leaders should be responsible, inside the company, for compliance, not the safety and EMC experts. What I mean is that when the product is submitted to the experts, it's not expected to fail. This is 'DESIGN IT IN!' of course, and I'm a bit disappointed that IEEE hasn't so far been motivated to support it. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Practical ethics? -- text version Different take. While the motivations of "managers" are as Cortland described, the motivation of compliance engineers is to write specs so conservative that nothing can ever possibly go wrong. Witness ADS-37A-PRF, the AED EMC standard. The optimal approach is in the middle, and it is best served when there isn't a division of labor between profitability and responsibility. No, I don't know how to make that happen. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Cortland Richmond <k...@earthlink.net> > Reply-To: <k...@earthlink.net> > Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:35:03 -0500 > To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] Practical ethics? -- text version > > One problem for engineers is that they work for people whose intent is > to make money, and who are remarkably resistant to spending any more > than is necessary to barely meet requirements and get products on the > market. That is actually forgivable; what isn't forgivable is a > willingness to accept not meeting performance, regulatory, or even > safety requirements, accepting settlements and fines as part of the > cost of doing business to make a little more on each unit that goes > out the door. I wonder if ethics classes are doing anything to fix that. > > Ethics Lesson: Many years ago, late at night, an armed helicopter > landed at a base where I was stationed, with a radio problem that kept > the pilot from talking to troops under attack. I was unable to fix the > problem no matter what I replaced, and over the next few days, no one > else in our maintenance shop could figure it out either. > > But soldiers probably died that night because their close air support > was gone. > > Finally, I had the crew-chief run the rotor speed up to what the pilot > had reported and, at some risk to myself, followed the cabling the > length of the airframe until I found one assembly at the tip of the > tail fin, right next to the spinning rotor, where the RF was being > interrupted and reflected. > > Taking it inside to the test bench, I discovered an internal capacitor > lead had crystallized and broken, and -- at just one engine setting -- > the ends of the break were vibrating enough to render radio > transmissions unintelligible. > > I might take some pride in finding that when nobody else could -- but > people may have died because I was too tired, too lazy, or just not > thinking well enough to to try that earlier. > > Died. > > That's an ethics class no one should have to take. Three rubber > grommets could have prevented it, and I wonder how much was saved by > leaving them out... > > How many wounded or dead (if any) I can't say. > > I once shut down a manager complaining an AED's EMC Test Plan I'd been > contracted to write was too hard to pass and too expensive to meet. > Never mind that the requirements had been increased, and all their own > engineers were busy bringing existing products up to the new standard; > when he asked why I'd made the test so hard I told him: > > "I don't want you to kill people whose lives you're trying to save." > > Ethics -- the hard way. > > Cortland Richmond -- 26 December 2016 > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. 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