Hi Bob; In perspective (40,000 Americans died on the road in crashes last year) it sounds like engineering efforts might be better spent making vehicular traffic safer.
Driving while interacting with technology seems to be an increasing problem that could be addressed with some effort (and legislation; only because allowing personal choice does not seem to be working). -Ken On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Robert Johnson <john...@itesafety.com> wrote: > Ken, > > If the horn is continuously blowing in triplets, it is likely to prevent > even intentional CO poisoning. > > There is no need to disable the car and risk traffic dangers. Time is not > crucial, just blowing the horn is enough and may notify people at a > distance like in a house. > > The numbers could use some fine tuning but close enough to make a point. > For example the average CO deaths (439) are from 1999-2004 (Public Health > Rep. <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22942466#> 2012 > Sep-Oct;127(5):486-96) and percentage from automobiles 21-69% (Public > Health Rep. <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21387954#> 2011 > Mar-Apr;126(2):240-50). Maybe vehicle count should include trucks. I > suspect manufacturers could make a dashboard mod for under $1. > > This really is introducing three questions: > Should vehicles (or heating systems) have built in CO detectors? > At what value/death should we introduce safety measures? > Do we require such measures by law? > Bob Johnson > > > On 02/16/2017 02:38 PM, IBM Ken wrote: > > Hi Bob- do you know what percentage of the 300 are accidental vs > intentional? > > Maybe instead of just alerting, the car should shut down upon reaching > some measured CO limit. > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Robert Johnson <john...@itesafety.com> > wrote: > >> In the US we sell about 15 million cars/yr and have about 300 deaths/yr >> from automotive carbon monoxide. Since DC power is available, the horn is >> available, packaging is not needed, installation can be integrated in the >> auto manufacturing, I estimate an auto CO detector would cost below >> $10/car, about what a household one does. >> >> It would cost $500,000/death to install CO detectors in cars. Is this a >> reasonable expenditure to mandate? >> >> Bob Johnson >> - >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >> discussion list. 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