John,
Thanks for your pointer but where does not provide similar fire statistics like CR. Regards, Scott From: John Allen <john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sunday, 25 June 2017 at 7:42 PM To: 'Scott Xe' <scott...@gmail.com>, <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: RE: [PSES] Metal back of US fridge - Grenfell Tower Fire Scott Look on the EU Commission RAPEX site: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers_safety/safety_products/rapex/alerts/ Actually, don’t if you want to sleep tonight! John E Allen W.London, UK From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 June 2017 12:34 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Metal back of US fridge - Grenfell Tower Fire Hi Adam, The info supplied is interesting! Yes, it aligns with John’s thought. However, the recalled units are quite different – 5,200 vs 1.2 m. In the UK, there are a few million recalls of clothes dryers in last few years – that is quite different from US data. Is there similar data of UK and/or EU? Cheers, Scott From: Adam Dixon <lanterna.viri...@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, 25 June 2017 at 7:06 PM To: Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com>, <jmw1...@btinternet.com> Cc: <EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org> Subject: Re: [PSES] Metal back of US fridge - Grenfell Tower Fire Here's a slightly dated but popular US magazine article with a table near the end that supports John's closing thought about rarity of fridge fires compared to tumble-dryer fires (1:9 ratio). http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/03/appliance-fires-is-your-home-safe/index.htm Cheers, Adam adam.di...@ieee.org On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> wrote: John, thanks for background info! LFB said one fire every day in London is caused by white goods. It is a horrible figure! Grenfell Tower Fire is a bit different from previous ones and had another risk of non-approved insulation and cladding tiles on the outer wall of building. It is still unclear how the fire spreads from the fridge to the cladding titles. Was the fridge close to the windows? >From the video, the metal back seems to work delaying the fire spread. It may >trigger the standard body to think it again. The capacitor incident >prevention has been incorporated into the safety standard, why not this one? >LFB may take this case to reinforce their warning alert in 2015. Scott On 25/6/2017, 5:25 PM, "John Woodgate" <jmw1...@btinternet.com> wrote: It's not quite 'resistance', it's more a matter of different priorities. US safety standards major on protection against fire because they were originated by the insurance industry (Underwriters Laboratory) for obvious financial reasons, while European safety standards major on prevention of electric shock, because 230 V is more dangerous than 120 V (but of course not more dangerous than 240 V!), and timber-framed buildings are relatively rare in Europe. I guess that the applicable safety standard (IEC/EN 60335-2-xxx) isn't strongly influenced by US experts (US may even have voted for it) and thus doesn’t require a metal back panel, whereas the UL standard (which may be the IEC standard with a modification or several) does require one. All the Sections of IEC 60335-2 are under continuous review as technologies change, and the recent incidence of fires may well result in significant changes. However, unlike the tumble dryer case, where numerous fires were reported, this fridge-freezer fire is just one incident, and may be due to a 'one-off' fault' or obstruction of the ventilation. Even the enquiry that is being held may not be able to assign a definite cause. I suspect that fridge fires are very much rarer than tumble-dryer fires, even if, to be fair, the epidemic dryer fires are excluded. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 June 2017 09:35 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Metal back of US fridge - Grenfell Tower Fire According to London Fire Brigade, they are calling for manufacturers to use metal rather than cheaper plastic to make the backs of fridges in order to protect flammable polyurethane insulation from components that could cause a blaze. They added US fridges have metal back while the EU has not regulated this requirement. What is the resistance for EU to adopt this requirement? Thanks and regards, Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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