Hi Mike,
Thanks for the response. I’m really trying to understand what the presumption of conformity means, so I’d like to understand where your understanding of the use of EN 300 440-2 comes from? Is it from a formal interpretation/ decision making document from the EU or other organisation? If yes, is the document publicly available? If yes can you send a link? It may not be. It may be your understanding derived from discussions with colleagues, but if there’s a document I’d like to read it :) If I take the wording of the RED at face value then EN 300 440-2 is a harmonised standard and under Article 17.3 I should be operating within the rules of the RED to use the Annex II, internal production control route to demonstrate compliance with articles 3.2 & 3.3. This way may not give me a presumption of conformity but isn’t that more about if there’s an investigation I would be obliged to demonstrate my product did comply rather than for a complainant to prove the product does not comply. Like being presumed innocent, the prosecution has to prove guilt, the defendant doesn’t have to prove innocence. OR is it the presumption of conformity associated with a harmonised standard that determines the conformity assessment procedure? Best regards Mark B *From:* Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] *Sent:* 28 June 2017 23:02 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards If you have a transmitter-only device, then you can use EN 300 440-2 V1.4.1 and avoid the use of a Notified Body. However, if you have a receiver-only or transceiver device; you will need a Notified Body because the standard does not give presumption of conformity to the Directive (effectively, the receiver parts aren’t on the OJ). At least, that’s my understanding of it. Michael. *From:* Mark Bailey [mailto:mbai...@telensa.com] *Sent:* 28 June 2017 20:45 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards ETSI EN 300 440-2 V1.4.1 is in the OJ, can this be used as a harmonised standard for GPS article 3.2? Beneath the listing it says “This harmonised standard does not address requirements relating to receiver performance parameters and does not confer a presumption of conformity as regards those parameters.” So it IS a harmonised standard (no requirement for EU type approval examination if applied in full) but it doesn’t give a presumption of conformity (manufacturer may be required to do additional testing to ensure receiver parameters meet article 3.2 requirements?). Mark Bailey *From:* Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] *Sent:* 28 June 2017 19:59 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards As far as I understand: Use EMCD HS for EM aspects art 3.1 (No NB needed) ; that includes the 301 489 series for EMC of auxiliary equipment (intentionally left out of RED should never have been on the RTTE list either as it was EMC) Use LVD HS for electrical safety also art 3.1 (No NB Needed) Use RED HS for radio Art 3.2 (No NB needed) (radio properties / spurious emissions: those are not EMI, but strictly harmonics and mixer products) This ends the confusion there always was on EMC standards and LVD standards in the RTTE list, >From the beginning one was supposed to use 3 directives for Radio products There are still missing red standards, notably those for (GPS) Receivers, here a NB is needed, but as there is no standard available, what will the NB have to impose ? Gert Gremmen *Van:* Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com <micha...@acbcert.com>] *Verzonden:* woensdag 28 juni 2017 20:04 *Aan:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Onderwerp:* Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards I think they’ve been putting all their effort into getting the Article 3.2 standards onto the OJ as soon as they can (because those are the ones which the manufacturer needs, to self declare without a Notified Body). Most of the EN 301 489 standards are published or at least in a final draft; so the manufacturer can use them and explain it in their risk assessment. It may not be on the RED OJ, but that does not mandate the use of a Notified Body. Michael. *From:* Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com <dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com>] *Sent:* 28 June 2017 16:22 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards Interesting. One additional question is I don’t see any of the 301 489 series. Is this going to be published in the RED harmonized standards list, as it is strictly speaking and EMC requirement, or is this part of the article 3.1 b requirement:” an adequate level of electromagnetic compatibility as set out in Directive 2014/30/EU.?” The EMC directive only lists 301 489-1 and 301 489-34. Sincerely, Dieter Paasche Senior Product Developer, Electrical CHRISTIE 809 Wellington Street North Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7 Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211 www.christiedigital.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is confidential. Any unauthorized use, distribution or disclosure is prohibited. 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