Similar situation exists with the Machinery Directive. The MD guideline says not to declare the LVD on the DoC but the directive requires meeting LVD technical requirements. There is no exclusion in the LVD for machinery either. I don’t think anyone argues that the directive that is more specific to the product prevails.
-Dave From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 2:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD Hi Mike, Thanks for short and long answer :) Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it is _only_ guide. With EMCD everything is clear - in EMCD RED (R&TTE) devices are clearly excluded from EMCD scope. There is no such exclusion in LVD. Reading RED I'm not sure how to read it to understand it (about LVD) the same way as the RED Guide. I really understand 1,4 and 3,1 (a) as RED devices are covered by LVD (in some aspects but it looks for me as all aspects). Regards Piotr W dniu 2017-08-02 o 16:19, Mike Sherman pisze: Short answer: no. Long answer: look at sections 9.5 and 11 of the "RED Guide," the Guide to the Radio Equipment Directive 2014/53/EU dated 19 May 2017. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. ________________________________ From: "Piotr Galka" <piotr.ga...@micromade.pl><mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl> To: "EMC-PSTC" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG><mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:58:54 AM Subject: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD Dear list members, I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not. RED says: 1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive. 3,1. Radio equipment shall be constructed so as to ensure: (a) the protection of health and safety of persons and of domestic animals and the protection of property, including the objectives with respect to safety requirements set out in Directive 2014/35/EU, but with no voltage limit applying; Annex V (DoC) 5: relevant Union harmonisation legislation: -RED, - Other Union harmonisation legislation where applicable. I really can't say that being/not being subject to LVD is clear for me here! My understanding: 3,1(a) - protection of persons, animals and property covers really the whole LVD requirements (extending its range on low voltage devices). 1,4 - Radio equipment is not subject to LVD but in aspects from 3,1(a) it is subject to LVD. So, as 3,1(a) covers the whole LVD requirements the RED device is subject to LVD so LVD is applicable and should be listed in RED equipment DoC. May be my understanding stand up from that then till now, I have been reading the RED in Polish version. I have opened English version for first time when I come to copy citations from RED to this post. Translating Polish to English it would be something like that: 1.4 Radio devices ... are not subject to LVD, except cases defined in 3,1(a). The essence of my question is: Do the 'except' in 1.4 should be understand that what is after 'except': - describes aspects of LVD in which the RED devices are subject to LVD, - describes requirements from LVD to be applied to RED devices without understanding that they are subject to LVD. Or may be my mistake is that I don't see what parts of LVD are not covered by 3,1(a). This leads to reading LVD Annex I and selecting points which should be not applied to RED devices as being not covered by 3,1(a) (can be the next question if here the decision would be to go that way). If I can be sure that at least one of points from LVD Annex I is not covered by 3,1(a) than I can understand that RED devices are not subject to LVD and only some points from LVD Annex I should be applied as requirements of applying RED and not requirements of applying LVD. I hope you help in my doubts. 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