Also being a "Ted", (middle name is Edward, and Ted was how most people referred to my Dad - Obviously also an "Edward"!) but never liked it, Mr Eckert has my "full support" J
From: Ted Eckert [mailto:000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: 11 December 2017 22:16 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Li-Fi Don't blame me for Ted Talks. Since they won't pay me a royalty for using my name, I've disassociated myself completely from them. I'm also not responsible for Ted Airlines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_(airline) I'm certainly not responsible for Ted the movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1637725/ Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, Ted Bundy, Ted Kacynski, Ted Cruz, Teddy Roosevelt, Ted Turner, Ted Danson or the anybody using the Ted word processor <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_(word_processor)> . -----Original Message----- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Li-Fi Three observations. 1. would have side-effects somewhat analogous to BPL on EMC. And the up/down rate would probably have same problems and delay as satellite internet. 2. different modality of old tech - remember the science fair projects using laser com from bazillions years past? 3. Ted said that he 'discounted' TED talks (we had thought they were named for him). Some references 0. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_light_communication 1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication 2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Fi 3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA Brian From: Edward Price [ <mailto:e...@jwjelp.com> mailto:e...@jwjelp.com] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 10:44 AM To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Li-Fi I seem to recall HP was touting some kind of optical link system back in the 90's. (IIRC, it was omni-directional infrared.) I think they were suggesting it for sharing of a printer within a multi-computer office, or for linking test equipment into a lab's mini-computer. While I can see some uses where a modulated light source, powerful yet inexpensive, would be a good data link, I can also see a few problems, the first of which is bi-directionality and the second is data capacity ahead of the optical links. As for his hints of vehicular applications, we still haven't eliminated rain, smoke and fog. Call me cynical, but whenever somebody puts a box on stage and does magic engineering, I become skeptical. Whaddya mean, you don't want to get into the details? Altogether, Li-Fi is yet another path. Ubiquitous LED's make it more attractive, but not quite a standing ovation quality concept. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -----Original Message----- From: Ralph McDiarmid [ <mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com> mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:21 AM To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Li-Fi I haven't studied it, but seems to me that one would need to modulate the light very quickly to get any sort of usable BAUD rate, unless you settle for transmission of text only. (like the good old Bell 202 modems over voice band land lines) Ralph McDiarmid Product Compliance Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric -----Original Message----- From: Amund Westin [ <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:51 AM To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Li-Fi I came over this video .... <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ted.co m%2Ftalks%2Fharald_haas_a_breakthrough_new_kind_of_wireless_internet%23t-432 451&data=04%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C53bbc3853d4b4b08e89808d540d0 8fc3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636486186871774001%7CUnkno wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwifQ%3D%3 D%7C-1&sdata=0AFeQ9MPw3MwSWo%2BaCYqQBe78ZJio5oj39tnVruEoGU%3D&reserved=0> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ted.com %2Ftalks%2Fharald_haas_a_breakthrough_new_kind_of_wireless_internet%23t-4324 51&data=04%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C53bbc3853d4b4b08e89808d540d08 fc3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636486186871774001%7CUnknow n%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwifQ%3D%3D %7C-1&sdata=0AFeQ9MPw3MwSWo%2BaCYqQBe78ZJio5oj39tnVruEoGU%3D&reserved=0 Anyone who have studied this tech? 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