Thank you Experts, I knew I would get very valuable information from this group. Using the projects link provided by Bernd, I was able to determine that the EMC and Safety subparts of EN 63044 have DOW's of 2020 and 2021 respectively. Both general standards EN 50491-1 and EN 50491-5-1 have already been superseded by their EN 63044 counterparts. Since neither of those provide "presumption of conformity" for any directive, they do not affect our current DoC's.
Does anyone have a guess as to when the next release of the EMCD OJ will be? Thanks again for your help. Best regards, Kevin _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Kevin McCandless | Schneider Electric | Building & IT Business - EcoBuilding Division - Building Management LoB | Regulatory Engineer Phone: +1 815 381 5044 | Direct Dial: 52344 | Fax: +1 815 381 0749 | Mobile: +1 815 323 8002 Address: Rockford Development Center, 839 N. Perryville Rd., Rockford, IL 61107, USA Email: kevin.mccandl...@schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-electric.com/buildings *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ Hi Bernd, John, Thanks for the useful information, much appreciated. All the best James -----Original Message----- From: Dürrer Bernd <bernd.duer...@wilo.com> Sent: 15 March 2018 10:00 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AW: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ Hello James, EN 50491 is a series of CENELEC standards while EN 63044 is an adoption of IEC standards, so probably this is part of harmonisation of European and IEC standards. The Turkish customer is correct that part 1 EN 50491-1 has been superseded by EN 63044-1 that is not listed in the OJ, but other parts of the EN 50491 series are still valid and listed in the OJ. As EN 50491-1 has not been listed in the OJ before EN 63044-1 has been published and only contains general definitions and references to other standards, I doubt that it has ever been listed in the OJ. So CENELEC's replacement of EN 50491-1 by EN 63044-1 does also not have any impact on the presumption of conformity. The work programme of CENELEC's CLC/TC 205 can be seen on their website: https://www.cenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=104:22:1045412457161701::::FSP_ORG_ID,FSP _LANG_ID:1258281,25#1 There you may check when other parts of EN 50491 will be replaced by their IEC 63044 counterparts. Kind regards, Bernd Von: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. März 2018 09:11 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: Re: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ Hi John, Do you have an idea why a new series of standards are being introduced rather than updating the older ones? Thanks James From: John Woodgate <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> Sent: 14 March 2018 23:19 To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ These delays in updating the OJ list are very troublesome. Lawyers are involved, which says it all. The 63044 series (and other new, not yet listed standards) cannot be formally used to demonstrate conformity. A possible solution is to ensure that the product passes the OJ listed standard, cite it on the DoC and explain in addition in a Note to the DoC that the new standard is also met. Of course, it might not be possible to satisfy both standards, if they have 'absolutely conflicting' requirements (what is explicitly mandatory in one is explicitly prohibited in the other) but that is probably a rare case. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates http://www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-14 22:28, Kevin McCandless wrote: Hello Experts, I didn't see my first request show up in my inbox. So I'm trying again... A customer in Turkey has stated that the EN 50491-1 family of HBES/BACS standards has been replaced by the EN 63044-1 family. They want a DoC drafted with the new standards called out. When I check the OJ for both EMCD and LVD, the EN 50491 standards are shown as current with no DOW and the EN 63044 standards are not shown. I also noticed that the OJ for EMCD is over 1.5 years old. And the LVD is 6 months old. So if this was a recent withdrawal, it won't be in there. Does anyone on this list have inside information about these two product standards? Our Turkey customers seem to be running all DoC's through a consultant. This is not the first time they have asked for a standard to be removed or the issue date updated even though the current standard on the DoC was still valid according to the OJ. They seem to be the toughest EU member, that's not actually a member. Is presumption of conformity still valid if a DOW has past, but the OJ still shows it as valid? Thank you for your time. 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