Hi Scott
Ireland uses the same plug as the UK as per I.S. 401:1997 - Safety Requirements For Rewireable And Non-rewireable 13A Fused Plugs. IS 401 is the equivalent of BS 1363. Interesting issue about plugs being able to be inserted upside down in some extension sockets. John McAuley From: Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> Sent: 15 July 2018 23:32 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening Thank you for the clarification. On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, 12:47 am John Woodgate, <j...@woodjohn.uk <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> > wrote: GPS applies to anything; that's why is called 'General...'. Anything can fall within more than one Directive, in fact all electrical products fall within both LVD and EMCD, as well as GPSD. BS 136X connectors are used outside the UK; the EU is not relevant to that. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-15 17:33, Scott Xe wrote: The product is for UK market only since 13A rectangular pins. I believe only UK uses this type of plug within EU. As far as I remember, a couple of such product reviews raised this concern in the past but I did not know the BS standard does not prohibit it. I am uncomfortable with such design if it meets the standard. According to LVD guidance, this type of product falls into LVD, not GPS. John, how does this product relate to GPS? Thanks and regards, Scott From: John Woodgate <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> <j...@woodjohn.uk> Date: Sunday, 15 July 2018 at 10:53 PM To: Scott Xe <mailto:scott...@gmail.com> <scott...@gmail.com>, <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening I believe that no-one thought of the possibility of a design that allowed that incorrect insertion. It is known to the responsible BSI committee, but of course it takes time for the standard to be amended. Until it is, conformity to the existing standard cannot be denied. However, the marketing of such a device might violate the GPS Directive in Europe, although that is not certain because unshuttered sockets are legal in some EU/EFTA countries. Since it only affects those countries that use the BS136X system, the appropriate regulatory action may be problematical. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-15 14:52, Scott Xe wrote: I received a sample of portable extension sockets with a compliance certificate of BS 1363-2. It is noted the slim enclosure design allows the mains plugs to be inserted into the sockets up-side-down by mistake. In such circumstance, only the earth pin is inserted and the plug opens the shutter of L and N terminals posting the risk to access the L and N terminals with a test pin. It is a foreseeable misuse but seems no breach of the safety standard. Can someone share why it can be tolerated by the standard? Thanks and regards, Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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