I agree with Michael that this needs to be tested and authorised (certified)
to FCC 15.225.

 

 

Another Michael.

 

 

 

 

From: Heckrotte, Michael [mailto:michael.heckro...@ul.com] 
Sent: 20 October 2018 04:00
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach?

 

Digital devices that have a power consumption not exceeding 6 nW are exempt
from specific technical standards per FCC Rules 15.103(f).

 

There are no such exemptions for intentional radiators. See FCC Rules 15.225
for radiated emission limits applicable to radio devices operating on 13.56
MHz.

 

 

Best Regards,

Mike

 

From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com
<mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> > 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:54 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach?

 

I don't know what the FCC rules are on something like this - others on this
forum are much better informed on that topic - but if the ERP is 0 dBm (1
mW), then at three meters away the field intensity would be 58 mV/m, or 95
dBuV/m.  Now this is at 13.56 MHz, where there is no FCC RE limit. But the
FCC Class B three meter limit at 30 MHz is something like 40 dBuV/m (someone
jump in if I got this wrong) so that means the third harmonic must be 55 dB
down from the fundamental.  That is certainly doable, but I wouldn't take it
for granted without some sort of verification.

Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261



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From: MIKE SHERMAN <msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> >
Reply-To: MIKE SHERMAN <msherma...@comcast.net
<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> >
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 17:22:50 -0500
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> >
Subject: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach?

Esteemed fellow listers --



I'm looking at a very low power, intermittent NFC card reader/writer.
Alkaline battery operated device. NFC is only energized for 10 seconds at a
time on demand, and range to read/write is less than 1 cm from the surface
of the device.



I'm not an EE, but my simplified thought process is: "I can barely get this
to couple magnetically with a card sitting on its surface. How could I
possibly interfere with broadcast services or other equipment?"



So, oh wise ones, from your experience what actions with respect to FCC are
reasonable to do? For example, radiated emissions testing seems to me like a
total waste of time and money.



More technical details: maximum input power to the NFC chip is 17 mW. Chip
is coupled to a flat 30mm x 40mm "NFC Ferrite Antenna (13.56 MHz)" that my
EE describes as "zero gain." We're rating RF output as 0 mW (i.e., rounding
off, it's a lot closer to 0 mW than to 1 mW).



Looking forward once again to interesting wisdom from this group.



Mike Sherman

Graco Inc.
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