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RED applies to 13.56 MHz NFC (RFID). EN 300 330, EN 301 489-3, and the most applicable safety standard for your device. Under the old R&TTED, NFC did have a dedicated standard (I think it was EN 302 291), but that standard did not proceed to RED, and now NFC is incorporated into EN 300 330. Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> micha...@acbcert.com Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 From: MIKE SHERMAN [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: 22 October 2018 21:51 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach? Thanks to all for the quick education! Now, follow up question: RED. Seems to me that this does use RF to communicate, so it seems to fall into scope of RED. Agree? Disagree? thanks, Mike Re: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach?On October 20, 2018 at 2:40 AM Michael Derby <micha...@acbcert.com <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> > wrote: I agree with Michael that this needs to be tested and authorised (certified) to FCC 15.225. Another Michael. From: Heckrotte, Michael [mailto:michael.heckro...@ul.com] Sent: 20 October 2018 04:00 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach? Digital devices that have a power consumption not exceeding 6 nW are exempt from specific technical standards per FCC Rules 15.103(f). There are no such exemptions for intentional radiators. See FCC Rules 15.225 for radiated emission limits applicable to radio devices operating on 13.56 MHz. Best Regards, Mike From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach? I don’t know what the FCC rules are on something like this – others on this forum are much better informed on that topic - but if the ERP is 0 dBm (1 mW), then at three meters away the field intensity would be 58 mV/m, or 95 dBuV/m. Now this is at 13.56 MHz, where there is no FCC RE limit. But the FCC Class B three meter limit at 30 MHz is something like 40 dBuV/m (someone jump in if I got this wrong) so that means the third harmonic must be 55 dB down from the fundamental. That is certainly doable, but I wouldn’t take it for granted without some sort of verification. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 _____ From: MIKE SHERMAN <msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> > Reply-To: MIKE SHERMAN <msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 17:22:50 -0500 To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach? Esteemed fellow listers -- I'm looking at a very low power, intermittent NFC card reader/writer. Alkaline battery operated device. NFC is only energized for 10 seconds at a time on demand, and range to read/write is less than 1 cm from the surface of the device. I'm not an EE, but my simplified thought process is: "I can barely get this to couple magnetically with a card sitting on its surface. How could I possibly interfere with broadcast services or other equipment?" So, oh wise ones, from your experience what actions with respect to FCC are reasonable to do? For example, radiated emissions testing seems to me like a total waste of time and money. More technical details: maximum input power to the NFC chip is 17 mW. Chip is coupled to a flat 30mm x 40mm "NFC Ferrite Antenna (13.56 MHz)" that my EE describes as "zero gain." We're rating RF output as 0 mW (i.e., rounding off, it's a lot closer to 0 mW than to 1 mW). Looking forward once again to interesting wisdom from this group. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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