I have not yet read the UL standard, but I recall from an ISPCE talk a couple of years ago that holding a li-ion battery to your lips can present special risks when that battery fails in an explosive manner.
> On 12/10/2020 3:11 PM Ted Eckert > <000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > > Hello Joe, > > > > The EU sees electronic cigarettes as a nicotine delivery devices, and > thus a medical product. There are limits to the amount of nicotine that can > be delivered by the devices. This approach means that the devices on the > market in the EU are quite different from what you see in the United States. > In the EU, you will find electronic cigarettes most commonly used for a > replacement for smoking. The U.S. took a different approach and the market > has more vaping devices. It doesn’t take as much energy to deliver the low > doses of nicotine allowed in the EU and smaller batteries can be used. It’s > more common to find vaping devices in the U.S. with larger batteries. > > > > Electronic cigarettes | Santé publique (europa.eu) > https://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/ecigarettes_fr > > Update on European Regulation, Electronic Cigarettes | BSI America > (bsigroup.com) > https://www.bsigroup.com/en-US/medical-devices/News-center/E-updates/2016-Enews/Update-on-European-Regulation-Electronic-Cigarettes/ > > > > The following podcast has some information on the difference in > approaches starting at 28 minutes. > > The Truth About the Vaping Crisis (Ep. 398) - Freakonomics Freakonomics > https://freakonomics.com/podcast/vaping-nicotine/ > > > > Ted Eckert > > Microsoft Corporation > > > > The opinions experessed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those > of my employer. > > > > > > From: Pete Perkins <00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:32 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety > standard for E-cigarettes? > > > > Joe, > > > > IEC 60335 deals more with electromechanical products. You > need to consider having this looked at as an electronic product. > > > > The key IEC standards for electronic products are IEC 61010 and IEC > 62368-1. > > > > I would recommend that you look at IEC 62368-1 and work to > select appropriate requirements from that standard to apply to the > E-cigarette unit. IEC 62368-1 is organized around hazards so it is > straightforward to identify the hazards then chase the requirements in the > standard. > > > > For your case you could use the present UL standard as a > starting point to identify issues and then seek an equivalent IEC > requirement; a further investigation would have to be done for any additional > requirements for completeness. > > > > I know that something similar to this has been done for > looking at new things like electric scooters to start building a base for a > new standard. > > > > :>) br, Pete > > > > Peter E Perkins, PE > > Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant > > PO Box 1067 > > Albany, ORe 97321-0413 > > > > 503/452-1201 > > > > IEEE Life Fellow > > IEEE PSES 2020 Distinguished Lecturer > > p.perk...@ieee.org mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org > > > > Entropy ain’t what it used to be > > > > From: Joe Randolph <j...@randolph-telecom.com > mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:00 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for > E-cigarettes? > > > > Hello All: > > > > In 2018 here in the USA, UL published a Standard for Safety, UL-8139, > “Electrical Systems of Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Devices.” > > > > I’ve looked at the IEC web site to see whether a similar international > standard has emerged, but so far I have not found one. > > > > Does anyone know whether such a standard is in the developmental stages > within the IEC? > > > > In the meantime, the closest existing IEC standard that might be used for > electrical safety of E-cigarettes appears to be IEC 60335 for “Household and > Similar Electrical Appliances - Safety.” > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Randolph > > Telecom Design Consultant > > Randolph Telecom, Inc. > > 781-721-2848 (USA) > > j...@randolph-telecom.com mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com > > http://www.randolph-telecom.com > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.randolph-telecom.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C15f96a7862c7417761dd08d89d425bbc%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C0%7C0%7C637432255624108768%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Vy8N8Xa2F89IK2phz3mHCIgY3BmhC5Ac66f72m9hs2M%3D&reserved=0 > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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