I have had resistance to placing both directives on a single DoC. Mostly from strong proponents of the MD who believe that all equipment is under their control. It was the same people who told me that even a mechanical writing instrument such as a ball point pen is "machinery".
It should be noted however, that since the MD specifically invokes Directive 73/23/EEC (LVD) for equipment with an electrical supply, you are already covered in that case. To put it another way, the MD does not replace the LVD, it incorporates it. However, as mentioned before, the authorities may not be aware of this nuance. By the way, the MD's reference to the LVD out of date and the LVD is now 2014/35/EU. So I might suggest if you include both LVD directives in your documentation by stating something like Directive 73/23/EEC (LVD) superseded by 2014/35/EU (LVD). What a mess.... -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA doug...@gmail.com LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 10:25 AM MIKE SHERMAN <msherma...@comcast.net> wrote: > While I pay close attention to the Guide, I am doubtful that going against > its guidance to, in effect, over document, is sufficient to invalidate a > DoC. > > I have not ever encountered resistance to listing both MSD and LVD---has > anyone on this listserv? > > Mike Sherman > > On 01/17/2022 10:54 AM Charles Grasso <charles.gra...@dish.com> wrote: > > > Other that the fact that the statement is "the manufacturer’s EC > Declaration of > conformity *shall not* refer to the LVD but to the MD".? > > My guess is that you could invalidate the DoC if you violate that > requirement. > > > Chas > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:41 AM Oliver Betz <list...@gmx.net> wrote: > > This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org > > Hi all, > > the "Guide to application of the Machinery Directive 2006/42/EC", > Edition 2.2: https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/38022 states: > > "...Thus, whilst machinery with an electrical supply, which is not in > any of the categories listed in Article 1(2) (k) of MD, shall fulfil the > safety objectives of the LVD, the manufacturer’s EC Declaration of > conformity shall not refer to the LVD but to the MD". > > Yet, EN60204-1:2018 is listed in the LVD summary of harmonised standards. > > Would it harm to state also the LVD conformity in a DoC for machinery? > > The above mentioned guide writes that the DoC "shall *not* refer to the > LVD but to the MD" but I'm not sure about the intention behind. > > And we have problems with Turkish customs insisting that the DoC shall > list also LVD compliance. > > I wonder whether / how I can phrase an elegant note on the LVD compliance. > > Any ideas? > > Oliver > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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