In my experience, a single connection point is risky as it only takes a small amount of corrosion to cause the machine to fail the 60204-1 ground bond test.
Mark Stultz | CMSE(r) | Sealed Air | Automated Packaging Systems | Streetsboro, OH | 330-342-2402 From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Sent: Thursday, 16 June, 2022 6:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Removable door panel grounding CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I'm just curious why something like a spring-loaded captive "finger" couldn't be in contact with the door/plate when installed. I'm assuming here the grounding is for safety, not EMI. In the latter case, the gasket approach is necessary. Also, for safety I don't see the gas-tight spot as an issue: a little corrosion or "gunk" between plate and finger would break down in the event of a line-potential fault to the door/access panel. 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The second is more tricky as there can be no electrical >components on the panel and no possibility of a live conductor touch it. I would find a way to keep the ground conductor connected but maybe consider ground studs at opposite corners so it has little slack when closed but allows the panel to be set aside without disconnecting the ground. 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Do not open attachments or click on links if you do not recognize the sender. Hi Frank, Can you do a longer ground that allows moving the cover to the side? In my experience it is risky to design a system where the ground is routinely disconnected. If you need to design it that way, I recommend using a braided gasket that is partially compressed when the panel is installed. You'll need the panel and gasket plated so that there is no corrosion that would increase the contact resistance since this arrangement can't be considered gas-tight. 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