Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. We work hard to make sure our products are safe in a normal and fault condition and in every possible way. The only MisUse we can list is if the User doesn't keep the instrument clean or remember to clean/change the air filters, but even then, we do tests to make sure these misuses will not cause a hazardous condition. So I am lost when we are asked to provide more possible MisUses.
I guess I was hoping to find a generic list of misuses that could apply to most any complex electrical device. How can you list unforeseen misuses when they are unforeseen? As soon as you realize it is unforeseen, it becomes foreseen, so it is no longer unforeseen. yuck yuck. Thanks for all the good responses. Very interesting. Enjoy your week. The Other Brian On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 5:58 PM Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote: > > > Misuse is using a product for a use which is not a normal use. An example > is using a chair (which is for sitting) as a stool. Or, using a > screwdriver for prying. Or using a hammer for breaking concrete. Each of > these misuses can lead to injury. > > > > Identifying misuse for a TV, a laptop, or a printer is much harder, if not > impractical. > > > > Rich > > > > > > *From:* Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 5, 2022 1:18 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses > > > > I’m not a lawyer, or from the USA, but in Europe the term “misuse” has > been discussed in various REDCA (Radio Equipment Directive Compliance > Association) Meetings with Notified Bodies and The EU Commission, and their > view is that there’s no such thing as “misuse”, it’s just “use”. > > > > Drawing up a list of possible “misuses” is ultimately futile, as where do > you draw the line – user manuals instructions telling you not to use a > telephone in the bath morph into statements telling you not to use a PBX in > the bath. > > > > My suspicion as an Engineer, is that some companies want great long lists > of “do not do X” in the manual as some form of defence against mitigation > by Darwin Awards nominees – but then you finish up with a manual so big > that no one reads it anyway > > > > Just my 2p / 2c > > > > Best regards > > Charlie > > > > *Charlie Blackham* > > *Sulis Consultants Ltd* > > *Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317* > > *Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ <https://sulisconsultants.com/> * > > Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 > > > > *From:* MIKE SHERMAN <msherma...@comcast.net> > *Sent:* 05 October 2022 19:09 > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses > > > > Brian -- > > > > Good to hear from you! > > > > Re your question, it is not clear who the "they" is who is requesting a > list of misuses. > > > > From my working experience, we (on advice of Legal) usually did not try to > compile a list of misuses in the operating manual, on the theory that if a > creative user found another (dangerous) misuse that was not on our list, > they might conclude that it must be safe because it wasn't on our misuse > list. We emphasized how to use our equipment correctly, and what the scope > of its applications were. > > > > However, we would clearly identify in some warnings what not to do where > we perceived that to be a foreseeable misuse. > > > > Hope this helps! > > Mike Sherman > > Sherman PSC LLC > > On 10/05/2022 1:01 PM Brian Kunde <bkundew...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > My company manufactures Laboratory Equipment such as analyzers and > determinators. They are highly specialized equipment, yet have an infinite > range of uses. > > > > Even though all known residual risks are documented in the Safety Warning > section of the manual, they will commonly request a list of Misuses. There > are no buttons, or settings that can be changed by the User that can cause > a hazard. The operational environment is clearly defined. So in most all > cases, I am not aware of any "Misuse" that can cause a hazard. For some > reason, this answer is not acceptable. We are expected to come up with > something. > > > > Is there a standard or common list of MisUses that seem to satisfy this > requirement? > > > > How crazy are we to get with this?, e.g., don't use the 400lb analyzer > while taking a bath? Don't use it to mow your lawn? Common!!!! > > > > I used to work for a computer company and I couldn't believe the stupid > warnings we had to put in the manual. > > > > Thanks to all. > > > > The Other Brian > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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