Ken, Yes, but I have had certification engineers hesitate or disallow using any home-brew solid state circuits to control safety testing.
-Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA doug...@gmail.com LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> (UTC -06:00) Mountain Time (US-MDT) On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:18 PM Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> wrote: > A simple circuit can provide disconnect at the peak of the ac waveform. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"doug...@gmail.com" <doug...@gmail.com> > *Reply-To: *"doug...@gmail.com" <doug...@gmail.com> > *Date: *Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:08:17 -0600 > *To: *<EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] Assess risk of electric shock from charged > capacitors > > On the question of probe resistance, I always recommend 100:1 probes which > will have a negligible effect on overall timing. Additionally, it may be > necessary to perform the test a number times to ensure the disconnect > occurs at the peak of the sine wave. For me, experience has shown this may > take up to 10x attempts. > > -Doug > > > Douglas E Powell > Laporte, Colorado USA > doug...@gmail.com > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> > > (UTC -06:00) Mountain Time (US-MDT) > > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 11:32 AM Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Scott: > > Many dual channel scopes (whether digital or analog) include an “add” > function for the two channels. One channel must be inverted to measure the > charged capacitance. > > The resistance of the two probes must be accounted for in the capacitance > discharge time. (The same – for only one probe -- is true for the scheme > using an isolating transformer.) > > You should get the same results for both methods. > > Best regards, > Rich > IEEE Life Fellow > IEEE Medal for Environmental and Safety Technologies > > > > > *From:* Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2022 8:18 AM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Assess risk of electric shock from charged > capacitors > > > In order to judge if there is no risk of electric shock from charged > capacitors, it is required to measure the voltage across L and N of mains > plug after the removal of power input. To avoid grounding loop between > test equipment and the unit under test, an isolating transformer is > strongly recommended. I have learnt another way by using Add Function and > two hot probes of a dual channel DSO. Can someone advise which way is more > common in safety conformity test. 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