I think most people have learned to not listen to MSM, but rely on individuals in groups like this to further knowledge. It’s highly beneficial to have working members, most without a dog in the fight, in multiple economic zones.
That said, and to counterpoint a different position, I was originally in favor of England joining the EU many years ago since the idea of removing barriers to free trade is highly appealing. HOWEVER, what has transpired while populations have been asleep at the wheel is nothing other than a power grab of sovereignty: Totally unacceptable and it was highly encouraging for England to exit from the EU and I hope other will follow. I have a hope that the UK and the rest of the world can work toward the removal of unnecessary trade barriers and standardization. Something I devote many hours a day promoting. Cheers, Derek. > On Nov 7, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Doug Powell <doug...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks John, > > As you can imagine mainstream media tends to give us a filtered view, with > various unspoken motivations. This is the very reason I do not rely upon a > single source. And of course, guidance provided on https://www.gov.uk > <https://www.gov.uk/> should always be viewed in its official capacity. > > I appreciate your insider's perspective, -Doug > > > Douglas E Powell > Laporte, Colorado USA > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> > > (UTC -06:00) Mountain Time (US-MDT) > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 9:58 AM <john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk > <mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk>> wrote: > Doug & co > > > > I can only speak for myself and what I have seen & heard in the mainstream > broadcast media (don’t do Twitter, FB etc!). > > > > The majority viewpoint seems to be that it is far too late to do anything in > the short-medium term about re-joining the EU, even if there was another > referendum on the subject that said “Yes, Rejoin”. None of the main-stream > political parties are pushing for it (at least those in England, but there > are very different views held by some parties in Wales, N. Ireland and > especially the SNP in Scotland!). > > > > Thus I can’t see it happening “anytime soon”, if at all! > > > > FWIW: To state my personal perspective, I was very much in favour of the UK > joining in the first place many years ago because of my experiences of the > many “technical barriers to trade” which made exporting to the then (IIRC!) > Common Market countries really difficult due to all the differences between > them. Then, in the Referendum I was very much in favour of Remaining in the > EC & very disappointed in the (marginal!) result (my opinion of those who > voted to leave was/still is fairly unprintable – something about “cutting off > your nose to spite your face”!) > > > > John E Allen > > W. London, UK > > From: Doug Powell <doug...@gmail.com <mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> > Sent: 07 November 2022 16:15 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] FW: Intertek message FYI: Important Update: Pending > Regulatory Change to UKCA Program > > > > I've been watching the latest UK news with interest. From my perspective in > the US news media, it seems with the financial, energy, and PM woes, there is > a small movement discussing how BREXIT may have been a mistake. Possibly > John Allen can elaborate about how the locals feel about this, Is there any > real possibility of reverting to EU membership, or not? > > > > thanks, -Doug > > > > > > Douglas E Powell > > Laporte, Colorado USA > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> > > > (UTC -06:00) Mountain Time (US-MDT) > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:53 AM Richard Georgerian <richa...@mesanetworks.net > <mailto:richa...@mesanetworks.net>> wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > As a follow-up to John Allen’s email below – > > > > Has the UK submitted and/or passed any legislation for the UKCA labelling > easement until December 31, 2025? Otherwise, the UKCA labelling starts on > December 31, 2022. > > I went to the www.gov.uk <http://www.gov.uk/> website and there is no mention > of the specific legislation. Just the announcement that the UK intends to > submit legislation for the easement. > > > > Thank-you, > > > > …Richard Georgerian > > Compliance Engineer > > HID Global > > > > From: John E Allen <000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org > <mailto:000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>> > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:01 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: [PSES] FW: Intertek message FYI: Important Update: Pending > Regulatory Change to UKCA Program > > > > For anyone who has not seen this or something similar! > > > > John E Allen > > W.London, UK > > > > From: Intertek <nore...@e.intertek.com <mailto:nore...@e.intertek.com>> > Sent: 03 August 2022 12:58 > To: john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: Important Update: Pending Regulatory Change to UKCA Program > > > > The UK Government has announced its intention to introduce new regulation as > a principle ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ > > > > > > > <http://links.intertek.mkt4245.com/els/v2/pwaLHKk2DmCr/WFpETTVWYjJqaDhRL3kwZmJzejB4VE05NlQwVlBlNUtvRGx0dDVOaWNGZ0RZYmtrdCtybytMRVJxb0UwWVhzRnBkaWZROWJwcnJiU1BjTWdxc0J4MDduTUxhQWx0R1k2d2c1TTNWR2ZSMFE9S0/b3grNmY2R3BIM2RhZ1VheDBwYlVydUt2VjRQV3piYUtiOHgvbTNvSGIyd3g0eVQrVEVMbEtJWElxS0V0U2lZNjZveVQzQTFUSjF3YjZnaWhyNDNLR2E5b0dZUFduUFgvZGhlQVZBLzM1YncxYVY1TE8zcU5EVitsbnRmMGNBMDBEUENMaE9QTmVudmhvM1Q1MXJrcmZQZkR1MkZtRXo2bU1wVVgrWTlIVFY0PQS2> > > > > > > The UK is pending a regulatory change to their UKCA Program > > > > > > The UK Government has announced its intention to introduce new regulation as > a principle so to reduce the costs involved for the > re-certification/re-testing of products for UKCA marking. 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