Hi John - Thanks for letting me know! I admit I would have been surprised (and very pleased) if you had been able to tell me you were ready to give a presentation, but certainly worth asking. đ
And if I am lucky, some other participant will have a presentation on another product safety / regulatory topic they are eager to try out and will let me know. Maybe after attending the talk about Mexico tomorrow? Hello .... anyone ... hello .... đ đ Best regards, John McBain On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 2:36 PM <john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > John > > > > Iâm sorry but Iâve never been part of the ânetworkâ monitoring the UKCA > and have not followed itâs âstoryâ, and therefore am absolutely unable to > give or assist with the sort of presentation you propose. > > > > John E Allen > > W. London, UK > > > > *From:* John Mcbain <johnmcb...@ieee.org> > *Sent:* 08 November 2022 21:42 > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Pending Regulatory Change to UKCA Program > > > > Hello John (and others) > > > > Thanks for your interesting message pointing out that perhaps the UKCA > program/me is not quite as settled and the timeline not quite as > established as we may have thought. > > > > At least I think that is what your message was saying? > > > > Since this topic confuses me, I am going to assume others may be confused > as well - which leads to the following request: > > *Would you (or any other participant on this site) be interested in giving > a short update presentation about "The State of the UKCA Programme"?* > > > > Our PSES Chapter has been doing online presentations each month, and of > course we are always looking for new topics and speakers. Past topics and > slide sets can be seen at our Chapter website: *https://r6.ieee.org/scv-pses/ > <https://r6.ieee.org/scv-pses/>* > > > > In fact we will be having our November presentation tomorrow (information > below). > > > > So ... anyone who would like to educate the Silicon Valley Chapter about > the latest UK developments - or other safety & regulatory related topics - > is very welcome to join us! > Please let me know at: *johnmcb...@ieee.org <johnmcb...@ieee.org>* and > we will set up a date for your presentation. > > > > Thanks, and if you may want to attend tomorrow's presentation in spite of > the time difference, then please register using the link below. > > ====================================================== > Mexico Market Access and Changes in 2022Wednesday, November 9 @ 5:00 pm â > 6:30 pm Pacific Time (US and Canada) > > *Please register in advance for this meeting at:* > > https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwrcOCopjMoG9dhL8sgdiNTm6AvfM37V_2R > > *After registering, you will receive a confirmation email with a link to > join the meeting.* > > Planning to send your products to Mexico? Already selling into the market > and wondering how the recent changes for electronics and wireless products > affect your existing compliance? This presentation will cover: > > - What are the Compliance Requirements for Safety, Wireless & Energy > Efficiency)? > - How does the Mexico HS code (harmonized tariff code) drive > regulatory requirements? > - What is meant by Point of Entry vs. Point of Sale in Mexico? > - Which NOM requirements apply to IT, Audio, Video or Wireless > products? > - What else is new â Regulatory Updates! > > *Speakers: Maja Bland and Nadia FarfĂĄn* > > Both speakers work at Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Maja Bland is the > Business Development Manager for Global Market Access (GMA) located in > Minnesota, USA. Nadia Farhan is the GMA Knowledge Specialist for the Latin > America region located in Mexico City, Mexico. > > Maja Bland is originally from Bosnia and moved to the USA in 1995. She > studied in Spain through the University of Minnesota and has worked for > several compliance companies â TUV SUD (13 years), 7layers (part of Bureau > Veritas, specializing in wireless technologies), and most recently with UL > for 3 years. She tracks Regulatory Trade updates and global export > compliance rules and is the Global Market Access Track Chair for the IEEE > International Symposium on Product Compliance Engineering (ISPCE). > > Nadia FarfĂĄn is a Global Market Access Project Engineer who tracks > regulatory compliance for Latin American countries, including Mexico. She > worked at NYCE for 11 years and has been at UL since 2022. She is familiar > with laboratory test methods related to fabrics, shoes, wheels and safety > protection, but the last 3 years she has focused on providing advice about > Mexican regulations, including accreditations of certification and > inspection bodies, laboratories and providers of proficiency testing > schemes. > > > > Best regards, > > John McBain, PSES SCV Chapter Secretary > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:22 AM John E Allen < > 000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > Afternoon All! > > > > Further to the UKCA program(me!) emails over the last few days, you might > like to take a look at this blog from CMS Cameron McKenna: âRetained EU > Legislation Bill: Part 2: Will the Bill survive the new Governmentâ > https://www.cms-lawnow.com/ealerts/2022/11/retained-eu-legislation-bill-part-2-will-the-bill-survive-the-new-government?cc_lang=en > > This proposed UK Bill is all about the overall situation regarding > continued legal implementation, or not, of a huge amount of EU legislation > that was adopted into UK law before we left the EU â the number of regs > etc., (nearly 4,000) that would have to be reviewed, updated &/or > changed, or totally rescinded, and the huge load that this would place on > the UK Civil Service at a time when they already under considerable strain > with âcurrent issuesâ and so on. > > > > However, the minister that was driving the Bill forward has now âleftâ the > Government (thank goodness â I and many others never liked him!) and it > looks like the whole thing could be dropped and the current proposed > timescales for completing the task (Dec 2023) might now stretch out to > 2026. How that would affect the UKCA regime implementation is not addressed > but it might also be affected â but who knows ATM? > > > > BTW: For anyone with an interest in the whole UK/EU/âWorld in generalâ > legislation âsceneâ I suggest that you go to the main CMS Cameron Mckenna > âLaw Nowâ webpages and sign up to that service (see > https://www.cms-lawnow.com/subscription , and choose the countries and > subject areas in which you are specifically interested. Then you should get > their frequent, and often quite detailed, emailed blogs on those areas. By > sending them, the company hopes to get you to use their legal services for > more detailed assistance (for which you would, of course, pay!) but the > Law-Now service itself is free - and well-worth subscribing to if my many > years of using it is anything to go by > (NB: I have ABSOLUTELY NO affiliation with the company or any of the > paid-for services it claims to provide!) > > > > John E Allen > > W. London, UK > > > > *From:* Doug Powell <doug...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* 07 November 2022 22:54 > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Pending Regulatory Change to UKCA Program > > > > Rich, et al, > > > > I've had the opposite experience. On a particular occasion, a field sales > person was on the site of a notably abrasive customer. Initially, that > customer was a little cagey saying "Can you see the difference, and what's > wrong with yours?" Eventually, after playing the game for a time, that > customer pointed out how the competitor's product had one more safety > marking that ours did not. While I haven't seen this sort of > behaviour very often, I have seen a similar attitude prevail for many years. > > > > Unfortunately, a few sales people, whom I know and call my friends, have > sometimes complained about the lack of value that product certs bring to > the table; then complain about delays in time-to-market, and the added cost > of goods sold... And I have the evidence to prove that a safety redesign > of an existing "low cost" product family with multiple models and > configurations allowed us to further reduce the COGS by an additional 6% > overall. So that argument does not hold water with me. > > > > It has always been my belief that product certs are not so much a hit to > productivity and value, but they do open markets that would otherwise be > closed. And this along with evidence of due diligence, and ultimately the > safety of the end user are their true value. A singular focus on > profitability in the short term is a disservice to everyone. > > > > -Doug > > > > > > Douglas E Powell > > Laporte, Colorado USA > > doug...@gmail.com > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> > > > > (UTC -06:00) Mountain Time (US-MDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:39 PM Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote: > > > > âItâs a fact the CE mark adds way more cost than the return on investment > of performance improvement.â > > > > Reminds me of a marketing manager saying to me that safety (and, I assume, > safety certification and EMC) do not generate sales. > > > > Rich > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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