On Wednesday 28 March 2007, Roland wrote: >At 10:35 AM 28/03/2007 -0400, you wrote: >>over half an hour per pass though. MCS is selling a little air grinder >>rated at 70k rpms, I wonder how that might work mounted on the side of >>the head on my micromill for something like that? Has anyone here >>attempted something along those lines? > >When I was working on the Emco mill, 1mm carbide bits had a short, > costly life, so we wanted to try using tungsten dental bits. This was > for metal-work, doing fine work on brass patterns for spin casting. > >We ran some straight line test cuts in steel with a mock up, and it > seemed ok, so we removed the milling head entirely and mounted a Pferd > air-tool. Firstly, the air consumption had a fair size compressor > running at 50%. Then we found that the spindle on the air-tool is not > rigid enough. It's fine when you use it manually, since you 'press' as > required, with visual and audible feedback, as well as being able to > tilt the tool for a better scallop, but for automated running it was a > disaster. Especially in cavities, and cutting 'downhill' it tended to > bite and whip, making horrible squealing noises with a crappy finish. > Steel or brass yielded similar results. We abandoned that idea, but i'd > be interested to know if anyone had more success with a bigger tool. > >Regards >Roland Jollivet > I wasn't aware the air bearings could be that sloppy. My only experience with them was 20+ years ago, in quadruplex tape recorders, those ton or more versions that recorded and played on 2" wide tape all those years ago. The video head wheel had 4 tips arranged at 90 degree intervals around the edge of a wheel that was a bit over 2" in diameter, and was turned at 14,400 rpm by some strong servo amplifiers that could hold its average position within about a microsecond, and in later machines could bring that headwheel from stopped to speed and positionaly locked-stepped to the video in 400 milliseconds. The tape was vacuum sucked into a shoe whose curve matched that of the head path as it spun. All this was servo controlled including the position of the vacuum shoe with the intention of having the tip of the head as it crossed the tape, about .0005" into the tape.
The air compressors were fairly small, quarter horse per machine, but those headwheels would often be seen coasting slowly 10 minutes after the stop button had been pressed. Setting up those servos for proper control could be a chore, but I don't ever recall seeing the servo's attempting to correct for the headwheels radial positioning error, which is what the above description seems to fit best. Axial play could play tricks on the capstan servo in earlier designs until both the axial play was pretty well removed from the air bearings and the capstan motors went from old style synchronous to a printed circuit rotor of a pancake design which gave the servos the ability to position the tape dead in the middle of that track across the tape even if the record head of a strange wheel had one tip as much as 0.010" out of line with the rest. I guess what I'm saying is that air bearings can be quite precise, but then that whole assembly on one of those late 60 through early 80's machines usually had a rebuild it price from 300 to 1800 depending on the head tip material and length of warranty, but to buy a spare was more like $3k or more. That, compared to the $100 tool I'm looking at in the MSC catalog, says the MSC device is pretty sloppily made. Your comment re the air compressor tends to back it up. The tape heads bearings needed about 30 psi, and used about 2 cubic foot of air a minute, far less than your comment would indicate for the device you tried. That says volumes about the precision build I think. I would expect that the tip should be able to stay within 0.0005" of where its supposed to be under most any loading condition that didn't stall it. But, I have NDI where one might be able to buy such a well built device either, and I wouldn't expect that $100 one to achieve that level of accuracy either. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The trouble with eating Italian food is that five or six days later you're hungry again. -- George Miller ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users