On Saturday, January 29, 2011 04:22:51 pm Igor Chudov did opine:

> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Peter C. Wallace <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Jan 2011, Igor Chudov wrote:
> > > Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:43:42 -0600
> > > From: Igor Chudov <[email protected]>
> > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > > 
> > >     <[email protected]>
> > > 
> > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > > <[email protected]
> > > 
> > > Subject: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement
> > > 
> > > I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as
> > 
> > commanded,
> > 
> > > it does so in a visibly jerky way.
> > > 
> > > At first I thought that it was mechanical issue inside the rotary
> > > table, such as rust, poor gear meshing, eccentricity etc.
> > > 
> > > I took off the motor and even the lovejoy coupling. The motor, with
> > > the attached resolver etc, is now completely alone, lying on a foam
> > > pad on
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > floor.
> > > 
> > > The way this system works is that the motor has a little tiny
> > > toothed
> > 
> > belt
> > 
> > > going to the resolver, wires from resolver go into "Resolver to
> > 
> > Quadrature
> > 
> > > Encoder Converter", and from there into PPMC as an input.
> > > 
> > > The bad news is that even without anything on the shaft, it still
> > > moves
> > 
> > in a
> > 
> > > jerky way.
> > > 
> > > What I mean by this is not just vibration, but the fact that it
> > 
> > periodically
> > 
> > > accelerates and decelerates.FASTER-slower-FASTER-slower etc.
> > > 
> > > This shakes the whole motor as it moves.
> > > 
> > > I have a feeling that acceleration happen at predictable angles of
> > > the
> > 
> > motor
> > 
> > > shaft. It is not just some random vibration from a poorly tuned
> > > feedback loop. I think that it turns faster in some quadrants and
> > > slower in some other quadrants.
> > > 
> > > I know several facts:
> > > 
> > > 1) If I apply a constant voltage to the motor, from a DC power
> > > supply,
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > motor turns smoothly like a clock.
> > > 2) I believe that at least over a whole number of turns, the
> > > resolver is accurate. Say, if I command the RT to move by 360
> > > degrees, it does move
> > 
> > by
> > 
> > > 360 degrees exactly and ends up at the perfect mark./
> > > 3) If I try to apply force to deflect motor shaft, in some positions
> > > it
> > 
> > is
> > 
> > > easier to move the shaft in one direction that another. The shaft
> > > springs back, since there is a P factor (I and D are 0), but
> > > clearly it is harder
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > turn it in one direction than another. This depends on shaft
> > > opsition.
> > > 
> > >> From this, I conclude that this is a feedback based issue, such as
> > >> the
> > > 
> > > resolver or resolver converter somehow being behind and ahead on
> > 
> > reporting
> > 
> > > its position, which leads to uneven rate of speed.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Sounds like classic quadrature error in the resolver. Are you sure you
> > have the resolver wired correctly?
> > 
> > Not sure. I thought so, but I will check again.
> > 
> > 
> > I would check that the sine and cosine output peak amplitudes are the
> > same (peak amplitudes will be 90 degrees of shaft rotation apart for
> > a 1X resolver)
> > 
> > a 2 channel Scope is nice for this but if you dont have a scope a DVM
> > will do
> 
> What sort of a DVM would work? What about things like Fluke handheld
> meters? The frequency  is 10 kHz.
> 
> Thanks Peter.
> 
It shouldn't make much difference as log as the shaft is turned slowly 
enough that the meters a/d circuitry can keep up.


-- 
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