Ries, I'm curious as to how you calculated or quantified your RIO on your 
CAD/CAM package?  I've been looking for a direct way 
to do this for years, w/ little in the way of clear or concise results.

I completely agree with your assessment of CAD/CAM and it's level of 
integration. I've done CAM both ways [integrated and stand alone] 
and much prefer the integrated. There are times when you get a design and 
aren't sure if you can machine it or not, a quick check w/ the
CAM program and you know, then if changes are required it's a simple update for 
the tool path and your in business and thats for one off
jobs. In the instance of a repeat of the same or similar it's  fantastic. 
Create a configuration of the same part w/ different dimensions
update the tool path and voila!

My personal stance is that I wouldn't go back to a stand alone CAM, integrated 
is the way for me :)

Jarrett Johnson

----- Original Message -----
From: "R. van Twisk" <e...@rvt.dds.nl>
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re:  No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

> Kent,
> 
> not a problem.....
> 
> We estimated the RIO of the tools within 6 months,
> (two seats, two times Pro/E, Two times high and computers, two 
> times all training)
> unfortunately RIO not met in 6 months, 
> and it turned out to be one year. After that we saved money. Something
> that was pretty good when we looked back at it.
> 
> What I was trying to say, and may be I wasn't clear is that Igor 
> shoulddo his own traject, and it's not possible to say with 
> CAD/CAM ' if it
> works for you, it will work for me, even though our parts we make 
> are different).
> 
> There is some personal issues going on here, since each CAD/CAM 
> package has it's
> own way of working (Catia vs Inventor vs SolidWorks vs Pro/E etc.. 
> etc..), some people
> like it some methods, others don't like specific methods.
> 
> It's about asking the right questions to yourself, like I said, if 
> you make a lot of repeated
> parts with different dimensions, then you need to make sure your 
> CAM package
> does integrate very well with the CAD package. If you don't make 
> repeated parts,
> then you can also take a other CAM package that might be much cheaper.
> Do you need or not need constrains, do you need to create 2D 
> drawings out of 3D files,
> what export/import formats do you need. We don't know that from 
> Igors posts
> 
> Ries
> 
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
> 
> > On 5/31/2011 8:03 AM, R. van Twisk wrote:
> >> Igor,
> >> 
> >> I have been doing a traject at a shipyard implementing a 
> CAD/CAM solution.
> > Gentle persons (and apologies to Mr. van Twisk):
> > 
> > All of us make mistakes in typing; it goes with the territory.
> > 
> > Nevertheless, I love this typographically invented word 
> "traject". It 
> > feels like a cross between "tragedy" and "project" and I'll bet 
> I'm not 
> > the only one who has worked on "trajects" :-)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Kent
> > 
> > 
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