On Sunday 20 January 2013 12:23:36 Viesturs Lācis did opine:
Message additions Copyright Sunday 20 January 2013 by Gene Heskett

> Thank You, guys, for the answers!
> 
> 2013/1/20 Sven Wesley <[email protected]>:
> > All my cars have, and all my former cars had, electrical heaters. You
> > don't need a pump.
> > There are universal models that sits in the cooler hose that works
> > flawlessly.
> 
> Well, there has to be something that makes the fluid to circulate.
> Either it is a pump, which allows to place the heater anywhere with
> respect to motor. Or let the fluid circulate naturally, based on the
> fact that warmer liquid has smaller density so it moves up... But this
> approach requires to position the heater carefully with the motor
> block. It will not just work anywhere...
> 
> I suspect that Your electrical heating units have a pump already built
> in...
> 
> > There's a silicone/rubber plate model nowadays that you glue directly
> > onto the oil pan that works pretty well too. Some guys use it to
> > pre-heat the oil reservoir on hydraulic machines. I think the price
> > is 50-70 Euro.
> 
> Yes, I have heard about them and we discussed them also with dad
> yesterday as he mentioned that their price also is good, but since I
> live in countryside there are several reasons I am suspicious about:
> 1) it should be attached to oil pan, which is at the very bottom of the
> motor; do I understand correctly that it actually requires also some
> protective shield to prevent any damage by things on the road? Like
> pieces of snow and ice that I can hear to hit the bottom of car? The
> road passing by my house is not cleaned within an hour or so after a
> snowfall;
> 2) IMHO the oil pan definitely is subject to get splashes of water from
> wheels; are these heaters sensitive to water or are they sealed up
> really good? 3) this heater heats up the motor only from one side while
> heating the cooling liquid and circulating it through the motor block
> heats it up thoroughly;
> so I somehow think that this approach is less effective and takes more
> time; is that really true?
> 4) and how exactly are they attached to the oil pan? Literally glued,
> which does not feel really safe to me? Or can it be positioned also
> with bolts (which requires welding few nuts to the outside of oil
> pan)?

The ones I've seen, but not used, were generally held in place by springs 
attached to eyelets installed under a few pan screw heads.  Usually 4, one 
on each corner of the heater pad.

As for shielding against mechanical damages, I think I'd install an 'off-
road' skid plate & let the big stuff bounce off it.

Cheers, Gene
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