On 31 Jan 2016, at 05:03, Chris Albertson wrote: > Yes. Sorry that was a typo, autocorrected. But actually the subscription > model of paying for software is the same. Microsoft is doing this with > Office 360 too. All of these companies are looking to do the same > things, even out there cash flow with reliable monthly payments form > customers and to offer cloud data storage so your data is not tied to one > specific PC. >
It also makes it very difficult for users to stop paying the subs, because they can't then use the software, so previous work is lost, I think. Marcus > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To clarify… This is not an Adobe app. The company is Autodesk, same >> company that did Autocad and Inventor, etc etc…. >> -Tom >> >>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Chris Albertson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> As I said, running this app as I type... Yes you can sign up for free >> use >>> under one of two cases >>> 1) Student or Educator, gets three free years and can sign up again after >>> that >>> 2) Business that does under $100K per year gets one free year then can >> sign >>> up again. >>> >>> So I yes you only owe them money if you use this to run a business that >>> makes over $100K. In which case $300 is not much. >>> >>> This is not really a "cloud app". It runs like the other Adobe apps. >>> This means the app itself, the program is just a normal program that runs >>> on your local computer. But the DATA or at lest copies of the data can >>> exist on Adobe's cloud storage. This is very good because it means you >>> can access it from any place in the world and so can your co-workers. >>> >>> This would be the app to use it say a group of people wanted to design a >>> "open source" machine part. Like maybe a CNC conversion kit for a >> popular >>> mill, or an open source 3D printer. Anyone could "improve" the design >> and >>> if the improvement turns out to not be so good then the version control >>> system could back out the change. You can't do this so easy if the data >>> lives inside one PC in one person's office. I think you can keep local >>> data too if you like. I's still playing with it. >>> >>> But do NOT think of this as a "cloud app". It is NOT browser based, not >>> web based. It's runs local as any other apps does. >>> >>> There does appear to be a learning curve. This is an industrial strength >>> product and I've had it for all of 20 minutes so far. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Chris Albertson < >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It seems that Fusion 360 is in the Mac "App Store" for free. It may be >>>> cloud based but it is also a "real" app that runs on a Mac. (They might >>>> have a Windows version too but I have not looked.) >>>> >>>> OK I said "free". No, sorry, a correction, The app is free but it does >>>> not work without a "membership". You can buy different levels of >>>> "membership" starting at $39 per month or $300 per year. Only the >> first 30 >>>> days is free. I'm looking at the App as I type this. >>>> >>>> That said, it looks really good: >>>> >>>> - A big company that is NOT going away is behind this (Adobe) >>>> - It does ,Surface, Mesh, Parametric and Solid modeling and will do >>>> organic shape like a guitar neck or car body as well as simple things >>>> - It holds the data and allows people to collaborate from different >>>> locations on a design. It will handle version control and multiple >> users >>>> working on the same designs >>>> - Users can extend it using Java >>>> - Can output to a 3 axis mill, 3D Printer or even printed drawings >>>> >>>> >>>> But $39 per month will add up over time..... This is the model Adobe >> has >>>> gone with for their other apps like Photoshop and the like, you buy a >>>> subscription. It is a good deal if you make money with Adobe >> software. >>>> Looks like I can use this for 30 days. >>>> >>>> Here is a link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fusion-360 >>>> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fusion-360/id868968810?mt=12> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:03 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I too am a Mac user. Up until recently I have been using Geomagic >> Design >>>>> (formerly Alibre Design) for CAD and mostly Sheetcam for CAM. Both of >>>>> these apps are Windows based. I run Windows7 as an application on >> MacOS - >>>>> as god intended ;-) with Parallels. Geomagic and Sheetcam are pretty >> much >>>>> the only thing I run under Windows. >>>>> >>>>> A few months ago when I read that Fusion had released their turning CAM >>>>> and made Fusion 360 free for enthusiasts and small businesses I gave it >>>>> another try (had played with early beta but found it lacking). I have >> now >>>>> begun to use Fusion 360 almost exclusively. I have most recently been >>>>> making parts for a cnc lathe so I haven’t played with the milling CAM >> yet, >>>>> but do intend to. After months of using it I believe I am not going to >>>>> renew my maintenance of Geomagic Design. I have to say that I was >> very >>>>> reluctant to use a cloud-based application but I am quite pleased with >>>>> Fusion 360 and have never had issues relating to it’s cloud-based model >>>>> (you can do most things when offline as well). I am constantly amazed >> at >>>>> the features in the software as well as the integrated HSMWorks-based >> CAM >>>>> software that is available for free in this package. It is also >>>>> constantly being improved and updated, they do a feature and bug >> release at >>>>> least once a month. sometime twice a month. >>>>> >>>>> I also infrequently use OnShape (also cloud based) and am very >> impressed >>>>> with their collaboration features and rapid updates as well. OnShape >> is >>>>> CAD only and doesn’t have free integrated CAM so I have been using it >> less >>>>> and less but occasionally use it with colleagues to work on some >> things. >>>>> You can purchase commercial CAM packages for it. >>>>> >>>>> I would highly recommend you check out Fusion 360. >>>>> -Tom >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Chris Albertson < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What are people here using to create G-code? I am looking for >> options. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm new to CNC and trying to develop a work flow. I'm making small >>>>> parts >>>>>> (most fit in a 3" cube) for robot manipulators. These can be >> designed >>>>>> for easy manual machining but now I want to add curves and arcs and >>>>> later >>>>>> add refinements that have more organic shapes. Qualities are as much >>>>> as a >>>>>> half dozen each. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use ViaCAD. It is very much identical to "TurboCAD" to make 3D >>>>> drawings >>>>>> and these can be saved in several different file formats. >>>>>> >>>>>> I found PyCAM. It will read STL files and make G-code. Are there >>>>> other >>>>>> options? Can you really build good G-code from STL? It seems STL >> has >>>>> no >>>>>> notion of arcs and hols and pockets. It is all triangles. Does this >>>>>> matter? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm doing the design work on a Apple iMac and of course the machine >>>>>> controller is Linux. Any workflow that uses either of those two OSes >> is >>>>>> fine, as I've had long experience with both. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Albertson >>>>>> Redondo Beach, California >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Site24x7 APM Insight: Get Deep Visibility into Application Performance >>>>> APM + Mobile APM + RUM: Monitor 3 App instances at just $35/Month >>>>> Monitor end-to-end web transactions and take corrective actions now >>>>> Troubleshoot faster and improve end-user experience. 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